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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:59 am

I had an electrician “install” my original hard wired Eaton EVSE at my house. It’s been working fine for over 4 years.

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And since I’ve installed a 14-50R receptacle in the shed of my vacation cabin to plug in a Nissan L1L2 240v EVSE

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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:00 am

Driver8 wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:31 am
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:09 am
My comment was about using the small mobile EVSE for L2 charging (Electrician called by OP, remember ?). Compared to L1 about 2x the current so there is ~ 4x the heat.
And obviously it can be used for L2, my comment was regarding long-term reliability with frequent use.
Is anyone actually doing this?? Do they make L1 cords that would work on a 240V outlet? I interpreted the OP to be that he got a L2 cord with the purchase of the car ("Called electrician to install 240v charger included in the deal.").
Yah. IIRC Nissan has been supplying 120/240 Volt mobile EVSEs since ~ 2018 with all of its high trim LEAFs, and as part of an option package in the other trims. My Tesla mobile EVSE switches to either voltage automagically with the correct outlet adapter, and GM Volt owners figured out long ago that the "L1" EVSE supplied with their cars also supports 240 Volts with a simple hack.

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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:11 am

Sorry, didn’t know I had to download an acronym thesaurus prior to posting. The only 220 v receptacle in my home is for the dryer. The ESVE has a LP-650 Longwell plug for a Chargepoint 3SC2. Without degrading humor, what receptacle does the electrician need to use? I can plug it in, btw.



Yup...ChargePoint EVSE “brick” with Longwell 220volt plug included. The other unit has a 110 v plug; dealer supplied no info on either, everything I’ve learned has been through research. Can the Nissan unit be used on a 220 v circuit? Noticed that Nissan does not recommend using 110 v (trickle charging).



BTW, stagebrush won’t intimidate me, flew for a major for over 40 years. [mod: personal reference removed]

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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:27 am

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/8198/tJbRGt.jpg

here are the two EVSE devices I received. Which one should I use? SW Nissan gave me zero instructions, did not know the Nissan unit had “removeable” cover 110/220.

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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:45 am

donaldus wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:11 am
Yup...ChargePoint EVSE “brick” with Longwell 220volt plug included.
I stand corrected then. I also do not recognize the chargePoint device in your photo.

More (unintended) intimidation: probably 240 volts, not 220

To your question:
Are you thinking about swapping out the dryer receptacle for an outlet that is compatible with the Chargepoint EVSE ?
IIRC, Chargepoint sells either 14-50 or 6-50 plugs. Match the plug to a photo on the internet

But be aware: you have to match the breaker/wiring to the outlet. If the dryer wiring and breaker is 30 Amps (24 Amps continuous), you cannot put in either a 14-50 or 6-50 outlet. You will be limited to either a 14-30 or 6-30 receptacle and you may have to buy an adapter to mate the EVSE to the outlet. You will also HAVE to be sure that the EVSE does not pull more than 24 Amps continuous.

For one solution, google 'dryer buddy' or go here:
https://www.bsaelectronics.com/collections/dryer-buddys

Your other solution is to 1, obtain an EVSE made for a 30 Amp circuit; and 2, pay (or DIY) an outlet swap to match the EVSE. This is probably the more expensive route and you lose easy access to the dryer if you have one there.

One other detail to keep track of: EVSE manufacturers are inconsistent in how they market the Amps spec. Some report the derated (continuous) Amp max, and some the breaker Amp limit. Wiring is rated to match the breaker (i.e., NOT derated)

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To your comment:
Knowing the meaning of the EVSE acronym is trivia; realizing that the plug dangling from the EVSE in your hand and the charger hidden behind the port of your car are very different will serve you well.
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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:55 pm

donaldus wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:27 am
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/8198/tJbRGt.jpg

here are the two EVSE devices I received. Which one should I use? SW Nissan gave me zero instructions, did not know the Nissan unit had “removeable” cover 110/220.
The Nissan unit on the right requires a 40 amp circuit for 240 volt charging. It should work fine on one. Do NOT use it on a 30 amp dryer circuit. It can also do 120 volts (L-1) charging with the adapter in place, on any good 15 amp, 120 volt circuit with nothing else on it except maybe a low wattage light or two. I'm not familiar with the unit on the left.
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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:16 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:45 am
IIRC, Chargepoint sells either 14-50 or 6-50 plugs. Match the plug to a photo on the internet
Hopefully the OPs Chargepoint EVSE will have the same 14-50 outlet as their OEM Leaf EVSE(as you said Chargepoints seem to come with either a 6-50 or the more common 14-50) then they can use either one, probably carrying around the OEM for any 14-50 outlets they may run into, in the wild as well as 120v 15/20a quality outlets. It's nice to have a spare EVSE for home, never know when something might act up and having the ability to swap it out really makes a difference for someone who really needs to charge, and charge a lot during the night.
IMO the Chargepoint website is pretty pathetic, not only do they call the EVSE a "charger" everywhere :roll: but they don't tell the kind of plug or show a picture of what it has. I had to google it and find info on Amazon's listing!
I'm pretty sure the OP is going to have new wire pulled along with the 14-50 outlet, I know a few pilots and they don't tend to cheap out on things but everyone is correct, a 30a dryer circuit is NOT acceptable for either EVSEs the OP has. Lastly one could cheap out a bit and use a 40a breaker and 40a wiring which would work with either EVSE and be code but no IMO no sense saving $50 on a probably> thousand dollar job, future proof and do it right the first time :)
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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:05 pm

jjeff wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:16 pm
I'm pretty sure the OP is going to have new wire pulled along with the 14-50 outlet ... everyone is correct, a 30a dryer circuit is NOT acceptable for either EVSEs the OP has. Lastly one could cheap out a bit and use a 40a breaker and 40a wiring which would work with either EVSE and be code but no IMO no sense saving $50 on a probably> thousand dollar job, future proof and do it right the first time :)
The dryer buddy is a lot cheaper, and more versatile if a dryer is also being used on that outlet.
Do you know any reasons to avoid it ?

I don't know what that ChargePoint thing is. Do you ?
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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:32 pm

That is why I posted the question. Sent my electrician the photos of BOTH the Nissan and the Chargepoint EVSEs (he will also use “charger”). He will be installing a 220v dedicated outlet for JUST the EVSE. Since I am very new to this game, what amperage should this outlet be? I have a R/V that uses a 110 60 amp breaker...60 amp 220v should be stout enough?

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Re: Just Purchased 2018 Leaf SV with 20K

Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:05 pm

ChargePoint Home Flex Electric Vehicle (EV) Charger upto 50 Amp, 240V, Level 2 WiFi Enabled EVSE, UL Listed, Energy Star, NEMA 6-50 Plug or Hardwired, Indoor/Outdoor, 23-Foot Cable

(from Chargepoint site)

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