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110v, level 1 charging question

Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:01 pm

We picked up the car last night, what a cool car. I have been spending lots of time going though the manual and getting familiar with all of the systems.

One question, In the user's manual it clearly states that the 110v trickel charger is for emergency use only and not for normal charging.

But checking here on the forum and at work where we have lots of chargers and a wiki. There appears to be a lot of folks who charge with 110v.

I understand about the increase charge time creating more heat. But what is the general consensus about charging with 110v and any adverse effects to overall battery life?

Thanks

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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:41 pm

If there is any affect at all on battery life, I'd say it would be a good effect. I believe the only reason Nissan would consider it for emergencies only is that it just takes too long to charge up the car. In most cases it would render a persons usable range somewhere between 30 to 50 miles per day because unless you can charge at work, that would be the max charging you could get in the evening. So naturally that doesn't sound too good for their product, so they'd rather you buy an L2.

However, if your lifestyle can tolerate the slower charging speeds, by all means, use it.
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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:51 pm

If you don't already have an L2 charging station in your garage, a great way to upgrade your L1 charger to L2 is through the evseupgrade.com route. Check it out. You can then still use L1 beside L2 on it afterward.

Otherwise, don't worry about using the L1 as is despite what the manual says. The only reason they don't recommend it is because of the slow charge time and slightly lower efficiency. It's perfectly safe and won't hurt your battery longevity.

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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:52 pm

L1 or L2 creates virtually no battery heat that would move the indicator.

L1 is a bit less efficient due to some fixed power overhead while charging.

Otherwise I charged mine on L1 for the first five months and drove 50 miles per day average.

No harm to the battery but if you drive much you will be charging near continuous when near a power outlet.

I used a 6' appliance extension cord to allow the brick to sit on the floor. Right angle plug and #14 wire.
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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:46 pm

It has already been said, so just one more affirmation - L1 is not a problem.

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jpitz31
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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:07 pm

Thanks all for the great feedback on 110v charging.

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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:37 pm

jpitz31 wrote:But what is the general consensus about charging with 110v and any adverse effects to overall battery life?
There is no adverse effects to using the 120v, trickle-charge cable. Nissan recommends against using it as it takes a very long time to fully charge the car and they wish to maintain the most positive customer experience they can (setting proper expectations).
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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:17 am

9400 miles mostly on home L1 since March. No issues. Did do the upgrade so dryer/welding 240 outlets are now places to charge.
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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:26 am

Was hearing straight from someone very senior at Nissan today - nothing particularly bad about L1 charging.

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By the way, even L3 fast charge isn't so bad as long as you don't charge when the battery is hot.

Charging at night during the summer is probably best not just because the grid has extra capacity but also your pack is likely cooler.

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Re: 110v, level 1 charging question

Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:41 am

TEG wrote:Was hearing straight from someone very senior at Nissan today - nothing particularly bad about L1 charging.
Yep, I was at that same meeting today heard the same confirmation.

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