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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:29 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:10 am
https://electrek.co/2021/12/29/hyundai- ... e-engines/

"... Hyundai has, in the past, stated that they view battery electric vehicles as a stopgap “until fuel cell vehicles take hold,” but that was in 2016.
... In September of this year, Hyundai revealed a hydrogen strategy aiming for significant penetration of both commercial and passenger markets by 2040. ... But since then, an internal audit showed that Hyundai has fallen short of virtually every target they had for fuel cell vehicles. ... cost is falling slower than expected, ... and hydrogen fuel prices are higher than expected.

Hyundai was about a year into a projected four-year development period for the Genesis hydrogen car. But these problems with their third-generation fuel cell have resulted in an indefinite pause on the project.
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And in other related news, Hyundai is moving its 12,000 person ICE R&D workforce to EV development.

It doesn't sound like they checked with GRA first.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:39 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:29 am
It doesn't sound like they checked with he-who-must-not-be-named first.
Fixed that for you.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:19 pm

I'm surprised that GRA hasn't been on lately.

But just to continue closing the door on this thread: https://electrek.co/2022/01/11/city-can ... uses-best/

Oh look, another city realized that hydrogen's too expensive even for large vehicles like busses. Color me surprised.

Edit: Excerpt from the article:
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Montpellier, a city in the south of France, had 50 hydrogen fuel cell buses on order for over two years.

However, the city updated its plan to decarbonize its public transport last week and noted that it canceled the order after reviewing the financials.

Michaël Delafosse, president of the municipality, said that they now expect hydrogen buses to be six times more expensive than electric buses because of the cost of operation (via La Tribune and translated from French):

“Hydrogen technology is promising. But we were helped on the investment but not on the operation. However, it would be six times more expensive than with electric buses. So, for the moment, we are giving up on hydrogen buses, we will see in 2030 if hydrogen is cheaper.”
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:14 am

https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/350

Fuel Cell Vehicle tax credit died at the end of last year without much fanfare. I can't imagine there's going to be much of a political will to revive it a 2nd time.

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