The "individual liberty" that American "Libertarians" talk about is not the same as what is recognized as such all over the world. For eg. the right-wing libertarians have always had fairly racist ideas. Infact I suspect one of the personal liberties they want is being able to descriminate based on race. It is almost as if they look at individual liberty in a very selfish way - concerned only about liberties for the self than for everyone.indyflick wrote:... individual liberty, limited government, and economic freedom.
I think the co-opting happenned with people like Palin (not with Romney). So, not denominational - just the religious extremists.As you would expect, that has Libertarian all over it. Dick Armey's FreedomWorks (with Koch Bros financing) then promoted this and it became the Tea Party Movement. So my point is that somewhere along the way, the religious right co-oped the movement and the speculation is that it was the Mormons and a lot of Mormon financing. The individual liberty pillar is now gone from the movement. They now advocate, for example, zero tolerance on abortion.
The "tea party" movement is, in my view, a mirror image of the Republican Party generally. There are some diverse, heterodox factions which compose a small, inconsequential minority of it (various libertarian, independent, and Reagan Democrat types), but it is dominated -- in terms of leadership, ideology, and the vast majority of adherents -- by the same set of beliefs which have long shaped the American Right: Reagan-era domestic policies, blinding American exceptionalism and nativism, fetishizing American wars, total disregard for civil liberties, social and religious conservatism, hatred of the minority-Enemy du Jour (currently: Muslims), allegiance to self-interested demagogic leaders, hidden exploitation by corporatist masters, and divisive cultural tribalism. Other than the fact that (1) it is driven (at least in part) by genuine citizen passion and engagement, and (2) represents a justifiable rebellion against the Washington and GOP establishments, I see little good in it and much potential for bad. To me, it's little more than the same extremely discredited faction which drove the country into the ground for the last decade, merely re-branded under a new name.
Wow! IMHO, the above statement is ludicrous. I haven't seen the Tea Party advocate cutting off people's limbs, stoning people, preventing women from displaying their faces in public, driving cars, etc.Yodrak wrote:Tea Party - the US version of the Afghan Taliban, a narrow-minded minority that wants the rest of the country to do it their way.
derkraut wrote:Wow! IMHO, the above statement is ludicrous. I haven't seen the Tea Party advocate cutting off people's limbs, stoning people, preventing women from displaying their faces in public, driving cars, etc.Yodrak wrote:Tea Party - the US version of the Afghan Taliban, a narrow-minded minority that wants the rest of the country to do it their way.
get real, man!
Tealiban Party??? I get it! They really are two sides of the same coin. Too funny.Yodrak wrote:Tea Party - the US version of the Afghan Taliban, a narrow-minded minority that wants the rest of the country to do it their way.
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