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White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:50 pm

Being bold, and shooting for the moon ....

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/white-ho ... 28660.html

This is the kind of push that would be needed to make EVs ubiquitous.
The Obama administration is reportedly considering taking the Natural Resources Defense Council up on its push to hike CAFE standards to 60 mpg by 2025. In fact, according to White House officials in a briefing conducted this morning, the EPA and Department of Transportation have set the range of numbers that they might recommend for the next adjustment in fuel economy standards at between 47 mpg and 62 mpg. Next year, the government will issue a draft of the proposed rule, specifying for the first time the number that it will seek.
These poll results were surprising to me. But, if this is true and the CAFE standards can be raised, me thinks we may be at the beginning of the S-curve. Let's see what happens.
" .... according to a poll released several weeks ago by the Mellman Group, a new 60 mpg standard also has the support of the American public. Seventy-four percent of respondents said they were in favor, with 83 percent saying that they'd be willing to pay and extra $3,000 per vehicle to meet the standard if it meant that they could expect to save at least as much money on fuel costs within four years of purchasing that vehicle."
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:51 pm

No matter what the Dems do the Pugs will un-do just
like Ronny did in days gone by........
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:33 am

hodad66 wrote:No matter what the Dems do the Pugs will un-do just
like Ronny did in days gone by........
Yes, but thankfully things have changed some in 30 yrs. If the solar pv panels go back up on the WH, I think they'll have a better chance of staying this time ... even IF Ronny rolls over in his grave. ;)
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:15 pm

JPVLeaf wrote:Yeah, but thankfully things have changed some in 30 yrs.
Yes, they certainly have. Now when you want to buy a new car you get to go up and down the street and demand that your neighbors contribute to help you pay for it.
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:22 pm

I would be more in favor of bringing back the guzzler tax. Only this time make it tiered based on mileage. This would pay for the ongoing subsidy of electric vehicle purchasing and adding infrastructure. Another possibility would be to make the ongoing cost higher for those that get poor mileage by raising the fuel tax to as much as $1+ incrementally from now to 2025. Same purpose... use the tax for developing non oil energy sources. JMHO.
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:32 pm

If you seriously want to see CAFE standards raised to 58-62 MPG in 2025, get involved here:

http://www.go60mpg.org/take-action

This site will send an email to the White House supporting a CAFE of 60 MPG by 2025.
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:25 pm

Too little too late. Peak oil will take care of this by 2025.

If they were serious - they would consider taxing gasoline. May be increasing the tax 10 cents a month for the next 5 years. But noone who tries this will survive the next election, so it won't happen.
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:51 pm

evnow wrote:Too little too late. Peak oil will take care of this by 2025.

If they were serious - they would consider taxing gasoline. May be increasing the tax 10 cents a month for the next 5 years. But noone who tries this will survive the next election, so it won't happen.
Maybe that's the problem, then (fear of not getting reelected). This 60-mpg-by-2025 trick is more 'serious' than they have been in the past. Though it might be considered too little too late, sadly, it would still be regarded as a milestone if it actually passes. And, it wouldn't be like a new CAFE standard would be expected to be the only thing in the bag of tricks. They are, after all, investing a lot of money into 'subsidizing' EV and hybrid purchases, and building out EV infrastructure. I mean, considering were we've come from ... it does feel like they're shooting for the moon. But, that's more a commentary on how little has been done in the past three decades. It's great that it's even being discussed and being taken more than half seriously.

And, this is only a discussion of government's role to kick-start an industry and/or technology and reach a goal, but it's still up to the citizen consumer to make their own commitments. If we solely look to the govt to fix this (i.e., dependence on foreign oil, AGW, etc., ....), then that starts a whole other debate about 'argh-why-do-I-have-to-spend-my-taxes-for-someone-else-to-buy-a-green-car' when I just wanna drive what I want, when I want, where I want.

Okay, off my soap box.
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:35 pm

JPVLeaf wrote:Though it might be considered too little too late, sadly, it would still be regarded as a milestone if it actually passes.
I think it is just an administrative ruling by EPA. Doesn't need to pass any bills.

Ofcourse that means, the next administration can easily dilute it ....
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Re: White House May Seek to set 2025 CAFE Standards up to 62 mpg

Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:01 pm

evnow wrote:
JPVLeaf wrote:Though it might be considered too little too late, sadly, it would still be regarded as a milestone if it actually passes.
I think it is just an administrative ruling by EPA. Doesn't need to pass any bills.

I don't believe I said anything about it being a bill. EPA draft proposed rules still need to complete the comment (public and otherwise) process to 'pass' (I.e., become promulgated as a final rule and/or regulation). Not all proposed rules go final (as proposed). That's what I meant.
evnow wrote:Of course, that means, the next administration can easily dilute it ....

Sure, that's always the case. Then, at a minimum, hope the current administration remains in place longer than not if the proposed CAFE std actually 'passes'.
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