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Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:13 pm
by LeftieBiker
The only car with an EV Mode that would make sense for apartment dwellers with no charging at work or nearby would be the Prius PHEV. That gets higher MPG than the regular Prius when not charged, so the only penalty for not charging it is little or no EV mode available until you find a public charging station.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:05 pm
by GetOffYourGas
LeftieBiker wrote:... the Prius PHEV. That gets higher MPG than the regular Prius when not charged
Is that true? I thought the PiP (Plug-In Prius) got slightly lower MPG than the regular Prius if you never charged it.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:42 pm
by LeftieBiker
GetOffYourGas wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:... the Prius PHEV. That gets higher MPG than the regular Prius when not charged
Is that true? I thought the PiP (Plug-In Prius) got slightly lower MPG than the regular Prius if you never charged it.
The larger pack and faster-charging-from-regen lithium chemistry let it run in electric mode more than the regular Prius. People tend to average about 50 MPG with the non-PIP and 55-60 with the PIP with no charge.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:27 pm
by RonDawg
Nubo wrote:EVs are not for everyone at this point.
That can be said for many vehicles. The Porsche Boxster is not good as a solo car for a family. Neither is a 1 ton crew cab dually pickup for those who don't have the room to park it or the wallet to feed its thirst. A car with very little headroom is not going to be for six-and-a-half foot tall people.

EVs do work for a lot more people than are willing to adopt one, especially if this will not be their solo car. But as mentioned earlier, change is scary for a lot of people, and the fact that you cannot be as spontaneous as you can with an ICE also is off-putting to many.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:56 pm
by LeftieBiker
In my case, I'd find it much less hassle if I could just charge my Leaf to 100% whenever needed, instead of worrying about starting charging from a high SOC, or leaving it at 100%. The car is sitting at 87% now (in frigid Upstate NY) but I have a medical appointment tomorrow that I could manage to drive to, but only if I had 100%, and preheated..

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:59 pm
by bigrob90
LeftieBiker wrote:In my case, I'd find it much less hassle if I could just charge my Leaf to 100% whenever needed, instead of worrying about starting charging from a high SOC, or leaving it at 100%. The car is sitting at 87% now (in frigid Upstate NY) but I have a medical appointment tomorrow that I could manage to drive to, but only if I had 100%, and preheated..
Until an EV becomes a pretty thoughtless thing, they won't really be mass market. Any vehicle which requires that you plan things out before you start because it is nigh impossible to make on-the-fly changes is a specialty vehicle, and not a general use one. Before gas stations were common, ICE cars would have qualified. Horses were better transportation for most people.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:19 pm
by DaveEV
LeftieBiker wrote:The car is sitting at 87% now (in frigid Upstate NY) but I have a medical appointment tomorrow that I could manage to drive to, but only if I had 100%, and preheated..
Alternatively, if your DR's office had L2 charging in the parking lot, that would also make things a lot easier, especially with 6 kW L2 charging. In one hour, you could pick up 25 miles of range and even hit the pre-heat button 5 minutes before you walk out to warm up the car off grid power before you head home.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:04 am
by knightmb
bigrob90 wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:In my case, I'd find it much less hassle if I could just charge my Leaf to 100% whenever needed, instead of worrying about starting charging from a high SOC, or leaving it at 100%. The car is sitting at 87% now (in frigid Upstate NY) but I have a medical appointment tomorrow that I could manage to drive to, but only if I had 100%, and preheated..
Until an EV becomes a pretty thoughtless thing, they won't really be mass market. Any vehicle which requires that you plan things out before you start because it is nigh impossible to make on-the-fly changes is a specialty vehicle, and not a general use one. Before gas stations were common, ICE cars would have qualified. Horses were better transportation for most people.
Also, people don't realize how much energy the ICE vehicle carries around vs. how much it waste to actually drive. Imagine if a Leaf had a 1,000 kWH battery pack and to drive it 100 miles, you wasted 950 kWH of energy out the back as heat. But it was easy to recharge this massive battery in under 5 minutes (bare with me on the power requirements to do that :) )

Driving around the ICE vehicle is just like driving around that power wasteful Leaf but it's so convenient to fill up and gas stations are everywhere. The Leaf makes you think more about efficiency which is alien to ICE drivers, even those driving high MPG vehicles because it's the mentality of "just keep adding fuel" rather than "make the most with what you have". The fact that Leaf with an average power usage of a tank-less hot water heater can zoom a full vehicle around even with the range limitations makes one really appreciate how much energy is actually wasted by ICE vehicles and the cost the drivers incur to enjoy this feature.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:46 am
by palmermd
edatoakrun wrote: I also made two range/capacity test trips last month of over ~90 and ~94 miles at ~25-45 mph speeds with over 5,500 ft total ascent and descent (if not hyper-mileing, close to it) using the capacity allowed between "100%" and ~VLBW, or ~88% of my total present available capacity.
I don't know how you can stand to spend 3 hours driving 90 miles. It would just drive me nuts. Your ability to withstand this low speed driving is what separates you from most everyone else on this forum. You don't seem to have a problem with range, but you also drive half the speed of most other leaf drivers.

I don't mean to sound as if I'm trying to put you down or insulting you, but just an observation. You have long held the belief that range and degradation are not an issue, but I think that your driving style is beneficial to both, and not many other owners share that style. It would be great if we could all have that type of patients.

Re: Are LEAF concerns evidence of anxiety?

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:35 am
by bigrob90
knightmb wrote:
bigrob90 wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:In my case, I'd find it much less hassle if I could just charge my Leaf to 100% whenever needed, instead of worrying about starting charging from a high SOC, or leaving it at 100%. The car is sitting at 87% now (in frigid Upstate NY) but I have a medical appointment tomorrow that I could manage to drive to, but only if I had 100%, and preheated..
Until an EV becomes a pretty thoughtless thing, they won't really be mass market. Any vehicle which requires that you plan things out before you start because it is nigh impossible to make on-the-fly changes is a specialty vehicle, and not a general use one. Before gas stations were common, ICE cars would have qualified. Horses were better transportation for most people.
Also, people don't realize how much energy the ICE vehicle carries around vs. how much it waste to actually drive. Imagine if a Leaf had a 1,000 kWH battery pack and to drive it 100 miles, you wasted 950 kWH of energy out the back as heat. But it was easy to recharge this massive battery in under 5 minutes (bare with me on the power requirements to do that :) )

Driving around the ICE vehicle is just like driving around that power wasteful Leaf but it's so convenient to fill up and gas stations are everywhere. The Leaf makes you think more about efficiency which is alien to ICE drivers, even those driving high MPG vehicles because it's the mentality of "just keep adding fuel" rather than "make the most with what you have". The fact that Leaf with an average power usage of a tank-less hot water heater can zoom a full vehicle around even with the range limitations makes one really appreciate how much energy is actually wasted by ICE vehicles and the cost the drivers incur to enjoy this feature.
Cars are tools. Tools to go to work, tools to go to play, for most people. They don't buy them to remind them to be efficient. That's a very luxurious attitude which the majority of the population cannot afford.