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Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:27 pm
by cwerdna
777,000 Plug-In Electric Vehicles Were Sold in China in 2017, Including 600,000 Cars ... 0000-cars/
Plug-in passenger car sales amounted to 468,000 BEVs and 111,000 PHEVs – 579,000 total. The rest were commercial vehicles.
In comparison, in the US for 2017 per, PHEV sales were just shy of 90K and BEV sales were just shy of 104.5K.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:08 pm
by cwerdna
OT: Someone in a Bolt FB group posted
"60 Minutes tomorrow night (CBS, Sunday, 7 p.m.) features a segment on China’s electric car industry."

I found a 33 second teaser/preview at ... vp-BBTXs8t.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:59 am
by cwerdna
Piece was decent but obviously meant for a layperson. Looks like it's available for free at ... 0-minutes/. I'm guessing it'll end up behind a CBS paywall after a few weeks.

Some interesting pieces included Nio's charging trucks (coming up and DC FCing your Nio), the battery swapping (yes, Better Place tried this and imploded and yes Tesla had 1 station but closed that down) and the EV monitoring center they showed. That last part was interesting but also scary from Big Brotherish POV.
In Shanghai, China has built the largest EV database in the world.

Holly Williams: This is a map of all the electric cars in Shanghai?

Ding Xiaohua: Yeah.

Ding Xiaohua is deputy manager of the Shanghai Electric Vehicle Data Center, which collects millions of bits of information every day on nearly 200,000 electric cars on this city's streets.

Holly Williams: So let's find a Tesla.

Ding Xiaohua: So this is only Tesla brands.

Holly Williams: These are all Teslas?

Ding Xiaohua: Yeah. All Teslas.

Inside every electric vehicle in the city is a black box, automatically transmitting data to the center every 30 seconds.

Ding Xiaohua: For example, the speeds, the mileage, the battery temperature.

Holly Williams: And does that help the government plan for the future?

Ding Xiaohua: Yes, public charging points, how many public charging points? And where it is best place for the public charger.

There is nothing like this in the U.S. or anywhere else. China is paving the way for the electric cars of the 21st century.
The overtime piece, currently at talked about Nio's (owner only) "club houses". Interesting... seems like Tesla's partway there w/that.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:37 pm
by cwerdna
Chinese electric car maker BYD's first-quarter profit up 632 percent, sees first-half profit up ... 52338.html

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:28 am
by cwerdna
I posted this over at viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30405, a thread that has been crickets. ... dex=9&t=0s was an 8.5 minute segment on EVs in China. They did mention that Shenzhen's the world's first city to rely only on electric buses. They said that city operates more electric buses than every city outside of China combined.

At 5:05 or so, they talk about BYD "greening" the city's taxi fleet.

They show this massive (LOTS of bays) charging area, presumably for taxis and the massive line. They said that almost all of the city's 22K cabs are electric. They talked to a taxi driver who said that he sometimes had to wait in line. A few months back, he waited an hour in line to charge and another 2 hours to charge.

After doing some Googling to see if I could find some pics, I found ... axi-fleet/. Not sure if it's the same area.
An electric taxi charging station in China’s hi-tech city of Shenzhen has reportedly become the largest EV charging station in the world, as a second phase of construction adding 172 fast chargers to total 637 fast chargers was completed this week.
Unclear if they really are "fast" chargers, say over 20 kW. In China, they use GB/T standards for AC and DC charging. From what I've seen, their DC ports look similar to CHAdeMO but isn't. Their AC inlet resembles Mennekes Type 2 but w/the wrong gender.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:36 am
by cwerdna
GM venture's mini car becomes China's most sold EV, surpassing Tesla's Model 3 ... SKBN25Z152
BEIJING (Reuters) - A micro electric vehicle (EV) by General Motors’ (GM.N) local Chinese joint venture becomes the most sold EV model in China, with 15,000 cars sold in China last month, followed by Tesla Inc’s (TSLA.O) 11,800 Model 3 sedans, industry data showed.

The model, the Hongguang MINI EV, is a two-door micro electric vehicle launched by the joint venture between GM, SAIC Motor Corp (600104.SS) and another partner, SGMW, in July.

The starting price for the Hongguang MINI EV is 28,800 yuan ($4,200), less than 10% of the 291,800 yuan starting price for Tesla’s China-made Model 3 vehicles before they get government subsidies.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:38 am
by cwerdna
Honda debuts electric SUV e concept, plug-in CR-V in China ... v-in-china
The plug-in hybrid CR-V is the first Honda PHEV for the Chinese market, which doesn’t receive the Clarity sold in other markets. It’ll be exclusive to the Chinese market.

It’ll go on sale there in January 2021 and promises the “most EV-like feel” from its plug-in hybrid system, which is based on Honda’s current Sport Hybrid i-MMD system used in the CR-V and Accord.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:54 am
by cwerdna
Warren Buffett-backed Chinese car maker announces strong demand for its new luxury electric sedan ... sedan.html
BEIJING — Demand for luxury electric sedans is on the rise in China.

In just over two months, orders for the “Han” line of electric cars from BYD — a Chinese automaker backed by billionaire Warren Buffett — have topped 40,000, the company disclosed at the Beijing auto show this past weekend.

The luxury sedan was announced on July 12 and will initially be sold in China. The vehicle maker said 4,000 vehicles were delivered in August.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:51 pm
by cwerdna
I checked out the video at ... e300-plus/. They liked it. You can't set your expectations too high as it starts out at just under $10K USD.

Re: To EV or not to EV: The China question

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:27 am
by cwerdna
I'm not finished watching Not surprisingly, most of the brands don't exist in the US.