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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:47 pm

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Seeing as how Ford was mentioned, their history isn't particularly clean either, if not rising to VW's level.
Yes, you beat me to it. Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer, being virulently anti-semitic, in the run-up to WW II.

Regardless of the legal settlement cost, does anyone really believe that the German government will allow VW to fail?
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:41 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:47 pm
GRA wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:41 pm
Seeing as how Ford was mentioned, their history isn't particularly clean either, if not rising to VW's level.
Yes, you beat me to it. Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer, being virulently anti-semitic, in the run-up to WW II.

Regardless of the legal settlement cost, does anyone really believe that the German government will allow VW to fail?
VW used slave labor until it was 'ready' for the gas chamber ... and then they got more from the Nazis.
How does Ford rise to that level ?
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:46 pm

I think that the poster meant that Ford did not rise to the level of the Nazis. English can be a PITA because of ambiguities.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:06 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:46 pm
I think that the poster meant that Ford did not rise to the level of the Nazis. English can be a PITA because of ambiguities.
Yup. It would have been clearer if I'd worded it "although (or albeit or but) not rising to VW's level." OTOH, Harry Bennett and Ford's "Service department" would have fit right in with the Brownshirts and the Gestapo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Bennett
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:13 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:46 pm
I think that the poster meant that Ford did not rise to the level of the Nazis. English can be a PITA because of ambiguities.
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I know, but it is way past idiotic to suggest any type of comparison between Ford the anti-semite and Ford the Nazi sympathizer to VW the mass murderer and VW the slavery merchant.

Take it from a Jew: there is a world of difference between the hate-ridden words of a scumbag and the mass murder actions of a corporate evil.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:24 pm

^^^ See my previous post, and also https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/n ... cars30.htm

There's no question that Ford (and GM) had little control over their German subsidiaries during the war, but prior to it they did what they could to ingratiate themselves with the Nazis, and maintained some contacts during it.
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