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Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:01 am
by Stoaty
"Federal and California environmental regulators accused Volkswagen of using software that cheats pollution testing in nearly 500,000 recent model VWs and Audis by circumventing emission standards in its diesel cars... Volkswagen and Audi vehicles from model years 2009-2015 have the software, which uses an algorithm that detects when the vehicle is undergoing pollution tests and changes the way it performs from when it is being driven on the open road."

Hard to believe an auto maker would stoop to this ;)

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/l ... story.html

[MOD NOTE - clarify title -drees]

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:20 am
by palmermd
wow, fines of $35,500 per car. More than the sales price. It really is hard to believe they would even attempt to put this type of software into a vehicle. Glad they got caught and are getting a fine that will keep others from trying the same thing.

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:29 am
by Stoaty
They will probably claim it was some rogue software writer, or that software for testing "accidentally" made it into the final release (for the last 6 years). I doubt they will get anywhere with those claims, though. The government is probably pretty sure about the cheating aspect before going public with this.

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:41 am
by palmermd
Volkswagen admitted to investigators that it had installed the defeat device, the EPA said.

The automaker said in a statement that it's cooperating with investigators but won't comment further.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/car ... /72400018/

It appears they are not trying to blame a rogue employee but admitting and cooperating. I'd lost a lot of respect for VW over the years with their constant press releases about future EV's with no evidence of actually building anything, and now this! All I can do is just shake my head and wonder what they are thinking.

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:08 pm
by TomT
It reminds me of the Cadillac cheat of some years ago where they changed the operating characteristics of the engine and emissions system when the AC was on, which dramatically increased the emissions... (Normally the AC is off for emission tests...) They got a big fine and had to recall them all for reprogramming.

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:52 pm
by LKK
I have difficulty in believing any manufacturer would act in such an outrageous manner. If these allegations are proven to be true I really think VW should be prohibited from selling any more cars.

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:58 pm
by Stoaty
A criminal case should be filed against them, although upper management can't be put in prison for this. However, the company can be put on probation in addition to fines:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... crime.html

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:11 pm
by Valdemar
LKK wrote:I have difficulty in believing any manufacturer would act in such an outrageous manner. If these allegations are proven to be true I really think VW should be prohibited from selling any more cars.
Really? What do you think of GM then? Their cars killed people.

Re: Auto Maker Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:22 pm
by DaveEV
Wow, the EPA letter is damning.

Cliff notes:

May 2014: West Virginia University finds that on-road emissions are significantly higher than EPA test results.
VW asserts that these are due to "various technical issues".
Dec 2014: VW issues voluntary recall, but CARB finds that emissions are still significantly elevated. CARB continues testing of VW's asserted technical issues but none of them can explain the discrepancy. CARB/EPA say that 2016 vehicles will not be approved for road use and VW finally comes clean.

Screw VW, they just dropped off my list of brands I would consider when buying a new vehicle and I will recommend that others do the same.

I hope they pay big time and fix the cars for real.

Re: Volkswagon Group Games Pollution Testing, Gets Caught

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:51 pm
by GRA
The interesting thing will be if the fact that their diesels' are regularly reported to exceed EPA hwy mpg ratings in the real world is due to this. They won't pay $18 billion, but $5-10 billion plus fixing the problem I could see; it will certainly be enough to hurt, beyond the stain on their reputations.