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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:59 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:My grid-sourced electricity has been up and then down for the past 5 years that I have been tracking (since I installed my solar panels).

Here are my average costs/kWh (includes an optional $0.015/kWh for "greenup", which most consumers do not choose - parenthesis are the "standard" rates):
2012 = $0.1211 ($0.1061)
2013 = $0.1267 ($0.1117)
2014 = $0.1375 ($0.1225)
2015 = $0.1219 ($0.1069)
2016 = $0.1130 ($0.0980)

Last year was actually the cheapest since I started watching them. The standard rate was below 10 cents / kWh.
Weird. I suspect that is is the exception rather than the rule.
GetOffYourGas wrote:All that said, I don't think the average consumer even knows what their electricity prices are. Before I had solar, I vaguely knew, but not to this precision. So how can an unknown factors affect PEV sales?
No argument. However, when that same average consumer considers purchasing an electric vehicle, many will compare the fuel costs of the two options to see how they compare.
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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:15 pm

My electricity rate is down slightly.

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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:45 pm

Yup, mine has also been down the past two years. It was rising pretty steadily until about 2010. Then a fire broke out in our main power source (coal plant) and destroyed 2 turbines completely and another 2 were heavily damaged. Prices immediately went up from about $0.08/KWh to $0.17KWh with some extra emergency fee thing. The "base rate" and connectivity charge and access charge and all that were unchanged but the $/delivered-KWh went way up. After they repaired the 2 and then another year later replaced the other 2 we stopped buying our energy from other sources and the prices are down to about $0.11/KWh.
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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:35 am

Crude oil continues the free fall.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-hits ... 04653.html

$ 5 per barrel.

Negative price is possible, as shutdown will be costly.
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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:08 pm

WetEV wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:35 am
Crude oil continues the free fall.
$ 5 per barrel.
https://oilprice.com/
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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:44 am

lorenfb wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:08 pm
WetEV wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:35 am
Crude oil continues the free fall.
$ 5 per barrel.
https://oilprice.com/
Looks more like $21-28 depending on type
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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:01 pm

Difficult to refine sulfur filled crud that no one wants may be $5 per barrel.
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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:52 pm

Hard to summarize over large segments of the population. I’m not inclined to believe that most folks buy vehicles out of such rational reasoning as we seem to think here.

Those are rationalizations generally speaking. The main reason Tesla has been so successful in my view is that they have changed how their cars are viewed. Emotional reasons dominant.

I don’t think gas prices make a hill of beans of difference for the vast majority. Lot of talk. Not so much action.

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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:49 pm

I bought my 7.4L powered suburban back in 2014 when everyone thought that $3.50 a gallon gas was the new normal.
It got 6.6mpg, they practically paid me to take it.
Then I got my leaf a few years later when gas prices came down near $2 a gallon for the first time in about 6 or 7 years.
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Re: Gas has to cost $3 a gallon before it affects vehicle choice, study says

Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:48 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:01 pm
Difficult to refine sulfur filled crud that no one wants may be $5 per barrel.
WTI was below $15 ($14.77) just a bit ago. Lowest price this century.

The heavy "sulfur filled crud" usually sells at about a $15 discount to WTI.

On the other hand, skies are blue, even in places that hasn't happened in decades.
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