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California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:28 pm

Via GCR: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -head-says
With the release of proposed new and lower fuel-economy rules expected from the NHTSA by March 30, many eyes have turned to the powerful California Air Resources Board.

That agency . . . will shortly issue its own related proposal for boosting the carbon-dioxide emissions allowed from road vehicles.

California, however, is not likely to accede to any radical increase in national emission standards. Instead, it has a long-established legal right to establish its own, tougher emission rules, recognizing its pioneering role and the specially dire air-pollution conditions in the Los Angeles Basin.
Unless, that is, Pruitt reverses himself and decides to attack that right by rescinding the "waiver" to the national rules that permits that, one of a long series stretching back 30 years.

If Pruitt does that, however, CARB is ready to go to war. In a report by Bloomberg two weeks ago, agency chairman Mary Nichols said, “I think there would be a war, with many states lining up with California” should the agency attempt to revoke California's waiver. . . .
A related article, also GCR:
NHTSA could cite safety of heavier cars in slashing CAFE rules: reports
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... es-reports
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:28 pm

Via GCR:
Pruitt won't let California set emission standards; EPA not looking at post-2025 rules
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... 2025-rules
Now, it's war, in the words of California's lead emission regulator.

In what Bloomberg News called a "wide-ranging interview" with EPA chief Scott Pruitt, he indicated the agency does not intend to let California set the agenda for national emission limits on vehicles.

Bringing California into line would require eliminating the state's 50-year history of regulating vehicle emissions within its borders by revoking the current waiver to national rules, the latest in dozens of such waivers spanning decades. . . .

In a variety of venues, the Golden State has indicated it will fiercely fight any efforts to curtail its half-century of regulating vehicle emissions within its borders.

CARB head Mary Nichols told Bloomberg on Tuesday, “My only comment is, ‘nothing new.’ That’s it.”

Nichols said in early February, “I think there would be a war, with many states lining up with California” should the agency attempt to revoke California's waiver. . . .

If the EPA does move to limit or end California's decades of setting its own emission standards, it will likely become a fierce and prolonged legal battle—one the automakers want to avoid.

The second Bush administration's stalling on carbon-dioxide emission rules brought automakers to within less than two years of the 2012 model year without knowing the regulations those vehicles would have to meet.

Environmental groups reacted with outrage to the reported EPA plans. . . .
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:33 pm

ABG:
California sues NHTSA and EPA over data on vehicle emissions freeze
'The public has a right to see all the facts,' says CARB
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/06/cal ... emissions/
The state of California filed a lawsuit on Friday seeking to force two federal agencies to provide data they used to justify rolling back landmark Obama-era vehicle emission standards, accusing the Trump administration of "willfully withholding" information.

In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., California Attorney General Xavier Becerra said the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Environmental Protection Agency failed to respond to a Freedom of Information Act request seeking data and analysis backing their proposal to freeze federal vehicle emission standards at 2020 levels through 2026.

In addition to weaker fuel efficiency standards, the Trump administration proposal would strip California of the ability to impose stricter rules, which a dozen other states have adopted. In 2011, California had agreed to harmonize its emissions with the Obama administration's vehicle emissions requirements through 2025. . . .

The lawsuit is the latest escalation in the feud between California and the Trump administration over vehicle emission standards. In February, the White House ended negotiations with California over the plans to freeze fuel rules and pressured automakers to back their efforts.

California and 19 other states demanded the Trump administration abandon its proposal. States sued last year over the EPA's decision to revisit its January 2017 determination the 2025 rules were feasible. . . .

The EPA is on track to release final emissions rules by "spring or early summer," Administrator Andrew Wheeler told reporters on Thursday. Wheeler hopes California will not sue the EPA once it releases final requirements, but if it does he suggested California do it quickly "to ensure regulatory certainty. . . ."
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:51 pm

GCR:
EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler announced Thursday that the agency will delay and revise its plan to freeze emissions and fuel-economy rules, which was expected to be released early this month.

The proposed rule, the Safer Affordable Fuel-Efficient Vehicles Rule, would freeze fuel-economy standards at 2020 levels through 2026 and reverse increases scheduled under President Obama. It also proposed to eliminate the waiver that allows California to set its own stricter emissions standards.

Two government officials briefed on the change told Reuters they expect a new proposal to require a small increase in fuel economy requirements through 2025.

"Our final regulation is not going to be the same as our proposal," Wheeler told Reuters. "We've taken constructive comments, criticisms, concerns from a whole host of different interest groups. I hope our final regulation is something that everybody can get behind and support. . . ."

The SAFER proposal immediately set the EPA and California at loggerheads, and California, joined by 17 other states, sued the agency over the rollback and said it would continue to require cars sold there to meet the higher standards. Negotiations between Wheeler and California Air Resources Board Chairwoman Mary Nichols broke down in February and Wheeler said in an interview: "This is not a two-way negotiation. . . ."

"This is so much more about politics for the state of California than it is protecting the environment," Wheeler said, referring to California's emissions standards and zero-emissions vehicle policy.

Since the SAFER proposal was released, automakers have lobbied the EPA to keep standards unified and certain, rather than break off from California and tie them up in lawsuits for years that could end up at the Supreme Court.
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:52 pm

Federal standards should be a general universal, bare minimum standard and should work most places.
But if a state wants to cram 3 to 4 times the entire population of new Mexico into a bowl that is about the size of one of our counties then federal standards might not be enough.
Then some where like new mexico, the 6th least populated state between south Dakota and Idaho. Places like that don't really need California like regulations and the bare minimum fed standards work great.
Let the states decide for them selves.
I think that was kind of the whole idea.
With out Carb we probably wouldn't have all these electric vehicles and plug in hybrid cars rolling around.
It would still be like 2006. You paid top dollar for an electric vehicle or built your own and plug in hybrids were science fiction.
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:03 pm

It would still be like 2006. You paid top dollar for an electric vehicle or built your own and plug in hybrids were science fiction.
I generally agree, but in 2006 I think that the home-modified plug-in Gen II Priuses with SLA pack additions were already being created.
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:33 am

I do have to say without Carb Toyota may not have started selling the prius here until much later.
There may not have been any intrest in them in the US until that first time gas prices went over $3 gallon and everyone freaked out.
Yeah we had hybrids but no one cared about them.
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:58 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:I do have to say without Carb Toyota may not have started selling the prius here until much later.
There may not have been any intrest in them in the US until that first time gas prices went over $3 gallon and everyone freaked out.
Yeah we had hybrids but no one cared about them.
Prius went from an odd car to a conversation starter. "Does that really get 50 mpg?"
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:32 pm

I'm generally conservative but fully support the state of California's right to decide for themselves what is and isn't permissible in terms of environmental policy.
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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:38 pm

If the people of California elect leaders who determine the internal combustion engine should be outlawed so be it, state laws can always be stricter than federal law.
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