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Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:55 pm
by GRA
Could be, although as the topic is California-specific that seemed unlikely.

What CARB started effective this past Jan. 1st was requiring all semis built in 2000 or earlier to be replaced by 2011 or newer models, or be re-engined with 2010 or newer spec engines. The truck year of manufacture for replacement goes up to 2005 next Jan. 1st, then 2007 a year later, then 2010 a year after that.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:44 pm
by Oilpan4
There's plenty of 10, 20 and even some nearly 30 year old feed hauling trucks around here.
10 years old is practically brand new, depending on how many crashes it's been in.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:33 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:59 pm
We have made the cure for worse than the disease.
Flaming BS.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:20 pm
by GRA
For anyone who's interested, there's an LA Times article titled "Port ships are becoming LA's biggest polluters". Big trucks are still ahead at the moment, but ships are projected to overtake them by 2023. There's a graph showing the top ten projected sources then - cars are projected to be down at #7. The article doesn't say where they rank now, but it's probably about the same.

BTW, as the starter of this topic, could we move the Covid-19 arguments/rants to that topic? Thanks.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:51 am
by LeftieBiker
Posts moved. Please post in the relevant topic, where your posts are now located. Let's also try to keep it civil.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:43 am
by powersurge
At this point, emissions is unimportant and irrelevant.

The country is closed, and we need to start the normalcy before we have a severe depression.

If it means lots more gas used to increase transportation of goods, driving to work, and make manufacturing 10x what it is in this country, then so be it.

Anyone who is still focused on emissions is really misguided in this disaster of our current government policy.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:47 am
by powersurge
LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:51 am
Posts moved. Please post in the relevant topic, where your posts are now located. Let's also try to keep it civil.
Everything I have read is civil. There may be differences of opinions.

The civility is in allowing all to express themselves and their ideas. Just because someone thinks something is BS is not being "uncivil".

What is uncivil is people trying to knock down different opinions and dissent from the party line.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:43 am
by WetEV
powersurge wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:43 am
At this point, emissions is unimportant and irrelevant.

The country is closed, and we need to start the normalcy before we have a severe depression.
We had a choice between a mass casualty event and a severe economic contraction. The virus is still here. The governors largely decided against a mass casualty event. Do I hear you saying that a mass casualty event is preferred?
powersurge wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:43 am
If it means lots more gas used to increase transportation of goods, driving to work, and make manufacturing 10x what it is in this country, then so be it.

Anyone who is still focused on emissions is really misguided in this disaster of our current government policy.
Air pollution still kills people.

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:16 am
by powersurge
Thank you for your comment on my post.

I respect your opinion.

I still like you.... :) ;)

Re: California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:16 pm
by Oilpan4
powersurge wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:43 am
At this point, emissions is unimportant and irrelevant.

The country is closed, and we need to start the normalcy before we have a severe depression.

If it means lots more gas used to increase transportation of goods, driving to work, and make manufacturing 10x what it is in this country, then so be it.

Anyone who is still focused on emissions is really misguided in this disaster of our current government policy.
I think it's important. Now for the first time in decades we are seeing the effects of turning a large portion of the gas burner cars off and leaving them off in places with the worst air pollution in the nation.

China virus deaths are going to go away after a year or 2 because of technology and just running out of new people to infect, air pollution isn't going away anytime soon.

According to IEA gasoline production is normally at around 10 million barrels per day and climbing this time of year, now it's at 6 million barrels and falling. Same for inventories, normally this time of year inventory is falling, but it's at least on a 5 year high. Gasoline production is going to be slashed when all the storage tanks fill up if demand is still down.

Diesel production has been hit too, but nothing like gasoline. Diesel production normally dips during the summer this is just a much stronger dip than usual. Inventories remain in the normal range.
So the diesel powered sectors of the economy have slowed a little but still chugging along.
So the argument that the air is cleaner because buses, trucks and trains have all stopped just like cars is a fantasy.
(Powersurge, you didn't claim that, it was someone else, not directed at you)