California, allies ready for emission-law war with Trump EPA, CARB head says

[LTLFTcomposite]

Trump is wrong on this one. CA can do whatever they want, and any other states that care to join them are free to do so as well. Pretty sure this gets shot down in court (or upheld depending on your pov)

[iPlug]

It’s a zombie issue for Oilpan4 - his California air quality fiction was already proven to him to be wrong many months ago. He conveniently forgot about that and brought up the same zombie propaganda again. Sorry folks.

https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php ... ne#p546234

For example, he was already shown data:



So according to Oilpan4, vastly improved is just bogus stuff because "having their own standards for more than 50 years still hasn't fixed the problem."

[Nubo]

It’s a zombie issue for Oilpan4 - his California air quality fiction was already proven to him to be wrong many months ago. He conveniently forgot about that and brought up the same zombie propaganda again. Sorry folks.

https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php ... ne#p546234

For example, he was already shown data:


So according to Oilpan4, vastly improved is just bogus stuff because "having their own standards for more than 50 years still hasn't fixed the problem."

Apparently it's also "ironic" that a place that experienced pollution problems would develop remedies.

[Oilpan4]

So we just pretend California doesn't own the top 6 spots for worst air polluted cities in the US?

If the state would have changed zoning and limited population density to say 1970s or 1980s levels around the big cities I bet it would look a lot different. I bet they wouldn't solidly own all of those top spots.
But instead they allowed unchecked growth and assumed technology would eliminate the problem.

Their "remedies" earned them the top 6 or 7 most air polluted cities in the nation.
What's even more fascinating is they convinced people to think a place with the worst air pollution is some how a success story when it comes to air pollution.
Last place is still last place.

[Stoaty]

So we just pretend California doesn't own the top 6 spots for worst air polluted cities in the US?

No, we pretend you are using your brain and listening to the reasons others have put forth.

[Oilpan4]

I'm not the one pretending the most air polluted cities in the country are some how success stories.

[Nubo]

I'm not the one pretending the most air polluted cities in the country are some how success stories.

You seem to be the one in favor of the Federal Government forcing the state to accept more pollution. And the people living there now must accept this as punishment for the state/counties/cities not complying with your personal opinion on what zoning laws should have been like years ago.

[Oilpan4]

Better late than never.
Seems like they could have fixed, not bandaid the problem without with out policies that effect other states.
But where's the fun in that.

[iPlug]

States rights fans (most Republicans until current administration), should be cheering on CA and upset at the current bullying at the federal level. Nixon and Reagan deserve a lot of credit for helping CA improve so vastly over these decades.

So wonderful that CA does not bully other states into adopting CARB standards.

[Nubo]

Better late than never.
Seems like they could have fixed, not bandaid the problem without with out policies that effect other states.
But where's the fun in that.

Let's be honest. Would you have not complained about the draconian building restrictions that would have been necessary to achieve the population density you recommend? You would have been ok with that huge interference of state govt into local economies? Don't you already think that high housing prices in CA are because "stupid govt makes it hard to build housing"? Aren't you advocating "socialism"?