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Fuel taxes

Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:09 am

The state of new Mexico has a 2 billion dollar state surplus after 8 years of booming oil and gas industry.
Now a bunch of democrats got voted in and they waste no time in passing new taxes.
Instant state wide buyers remorse.
A lot of them will be gone next election cycle because of this.

One of the things they want to do is raise the state fuel tax 10 cents a gallon on gasoline and diesel. NM has one of the lowest state gasoline tax rates in the nation at 17 cents per gallon.
I guess they didn't pay any attention to what happened in france. People don't like it when you mess with their fuel taxes.

This is why raising the fuel tax to fix the roads is BS. The state has had a surplus for the last 2 or 3 years and the roads didn't get fixed, they started redoing some roads last year if they were expansions, but just repairing existing roads, not so much and did it with out a tax increase.
Why would they suddenly get fixed now with the addition of a 10 cent fuel tax?
They're not and anyone who believes it is an idiot.
I have seen this before. When I lived in Virginia, the state fuel tax would be raised to "fix the roads" and nothing would change, if anything they stayed the same or got worse and all the money just went to I-81 and I-95 to mostly build more weight stations and buy road salt.
The biggest thing that seems to effect the amount of road work getting done appears to be crude oil and asphalt prices. All through 2010-2014 not a lot of road work got done here, not until oil prices broke below around $70 per barrel. When oil was over $100 a barrel they just posted a lower speed limits instead of fix the road.
If I though paying more taxes actually got me more services I would be all for it. If I though paying 10 cents a gallon for gas got 7 to 9 cents a gallon worth of better roads I would be like "shut up and take our money".
I don't have a dog in this fight, I mostly drive my leaf and this year my wife is likely getting a plug in hybrid hyundai, I expect our monthly gasoline bill to drop from $20 to $40 dollars per month down to effectively $0 so it really doesn't effect me. Better roads would be nice but I know it isn't going to happen.
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Re: Fuel taxes

Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:45 am

Oilpan4 wrote:One of the things they want to do is raise the state fuel tax 10 cents a gallon on gasoline and diesel. NM has one of the lowest state gasoline tax rates in the nation at 17 cents per gallon.
So that road expenses are paid out of fuel taxes, as was the case until about 1990 in most states?

Or would you rather have road repairs paid for with some other tax? If so, which one?

Or do you want roads full of potholes and bridges falling down?

And electric cars make this a new problem, as we don't pay fuel taxes.
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Re: Fuel taxes

Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:06 pm

At some point, and probably sooner than a lot of people think, the issue of road tax is going to have to be re-worked to include electric vehicles. Or, we could simply pay for transportation infrastructure out of general taxes, which is what I would advocate. It benefits everyone whether they drive or not, or regardless of how many miles they drive. Most road expenses aren't proportional to the amount of miles your car rolls over them, so a pro-rated tax has always been a silly approach.
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Re: Fuel taxes

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:26 pm

New Mexico ranked nearly 40th for EV sales in 2017.
Sold 369. Better than 2016, where 254 were sold.
DoE estimates as of 2018 there are between 500 and 600 electric cars registered in NM.
And I'm one of them.

I don't even think NM had a state EV credit because back around 2008 to 2010 we were in debt worse than Ireland.

Which taxes would I like to see pay for the roads?
That's easy, how about some of the 2 billion dollars in oil and gas surplus from royalties.
For oil and gas production NM was number 4 in the US.

Electric cars? As stated previously NM is so far behind the rest of the nation in electric car sales there's no point in an addition tax. An electronic car tax would cost more to implement than it would collect.
To me it's legal tax evasion.

No I don't want pot holes or falling bridges. Did you not read the post at all?
I said we have pot holes and beat up roads in spite of a huge budget surplus.
And that if I thought most of the money collected from fuel taxes would be used to fix the roads I would gladly have everyone else pay higher fuel taxes.

I agree with what nubo said.
Everyone depends on the roads and bridges even if they have a vehicle or not.
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Re: Fuel taxes

Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:05 am

Oilpan4 wrote:The state of new Mexico has a 2 billion dollar state surplus after 8 years of booming oil and gas industry..
This surplus you say NM has because of the booming oil and gas industry isn’t going to begin to pay for the future extreme weather changes/damages.

The Federal gas tax hasn’t been raised for some 23-25 years (forgot exactly how long), so it is up to the States to raise the needed funds for road maintenance and repair.

NM isn’t 5he only State that has raised the gas tax. More than half of the States have raised the gas taxes in rec3nt years because of the need to maintain and repair.
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Re: Fuel taxes

Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:04 am

Then raise taxes in the future as needed.
No need for preemptive taxation that will just be squandered on BS.
Then we will be stuck paying for new BS and then the roads will need to be fixed, so taxes get raised again. It's a never ending cycle.
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Re: Fuel taxes

Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:02 am

In Washington, they charge you $150/year just to dive an EV to offset the road tax from gas. I guess it makes sense we all use the same roads. Depending on how many miles driven per year it could be less money than what is taken out in gasoline taxes or a lot more.

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Re: Fuel taxes

Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:13 am

Oilpan4 wrote:No need for preemptive taxation that will just be squandered on BS.
Like this?
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-roo ... e-in-2015/
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Re: Fuel taxes

Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:06 am

deano511 wrote:In Washington, they charge you $150/year just to dive an EV to offset the road tax from gas. I guess it makes sense we all use the same roads. Depending on how many miles driven per year it could be less money than what is taken out in gasoline taxes or a lot more.
Actually $100 is for road usage with $50 going into a program to build public charging network.
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Re: Fuel taxes

Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:44 am

Since many places and jurisdictions base road taxes on so many cents per gallon purchased, and because cars in general are getting better mileage than they used to, it seems fairly straightforward that there will be less funds collected to help fund roads and maintenance. So I understand the need to increase the cents per gallon aspect of road taxes. I would like to see some stipulations, though, that the funds collected for road taxes are actually set aside for that purpose.

As far as EVs go, I'm happy to pay for my fair share towards building and maintaining roads (starting in 2020 here in California). I don't expect my neighbors to pay for my share of the road taxes.

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