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Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:27 pm

I was at the Santa Monica Mall recently. I specifically stopped there for lunch on a long route in my PHEV so I could charge during lunch and not have to burn gas on that trip.

When I got there, I found that all 6 of the J1772's were taken, 3 by Teslas (1-S, 1-X, and 1-3). So I couldn't charge and had to burn gas. But, gee whiz, that garage has 10 Tesla chargers that the rest of the EV community can't use. Despite that, 3 Tesla owners chose to block non-Teslas from charging.

It's bad enough that 10 of 16 chargers are restricted to Teslas. But to have Teslas take half of the other slots seems pretty bad - perhaps qualifying for the type of shaming that is due for people who ICE a charging spot?

I thought briefly about complaining to mall management and requesting that they post those spots as for non-Tesla only since Tesla has Tesla only spots (and more of them too). But that would just give management a reason to dislike EVs and be less supportive of this infrastructure that desperately needs more support.

Is there anything we can do to nudge Tesla owners into being more responsible with their parking behavior? I do recognize that the J1772's are in a more convenient parking location than the Tesla chargers. But using these as premium parking spots when it deprives other EV drivers the ability to charge at all is not a very efficient allocation of scarce infrastructure. And efficient use of this infrastructure is going to be critical if we really want widespread EV adoption.

Perhaps a variation of the EV charging etiquette flyer I've seen elsewhere on this site but specific to Tesla not being parked in spots for other EVs when there are dedicated Tesla only spots? I kind of don't like the idea of taking pictures and shaming them online for effectively ICE'ing the spot. I prefer to be more diplomatic if I can.

Any thoughts? Am I off-base and there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for their behavior that I haven't considered yet?
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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:42 pm

You can leave notes, ranging from nice to nasty. Hopefully some of the offenders won't re-offend there.

You can shame them at https://www.facebook.com/groups/evholes/.

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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:01 pm

Not following. Were they charging or just blocking. If charging they have every right to. They are an EV.
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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:25 pm

I didn't say it was a legal issue, but an ethical/etiquette issue. Since it isn't posted as no-Teslas allowed, it is something they can do, but it is inappropriate. Hence why I am interested in nudging them into better behavior.

I didn't look close enough to assess if they were just parking and assumed they were charging. If they were just parking, then that is a whole new level of inappropriate - and possibly a legal issue IIRC just parking and not charging can result in a tow or at least a ticket now.
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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:43 pm

Whoops. I read too quickly (esp. given that you used the word "blocking" in the title) and assumed they were EV holes, blocking EV spots w/o actively charging.

Side note: The joke amongst some of us Nor Cal folks w/short range EVs is that Tesla drivers using public (free) charging are “always” 200 miles from home. ;)

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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:45 pm

I would have gone to the mall security office straight away. Nothing immediate may come of it but they need to know when a customer is unhappy. I see this as probably an unauthorized protest and would be taken very seriously.

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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:19 pm

I haven't been to that mall, but is it possible that the Level 2 EVSE were free to use and the Teslas (Model 3) might have had to pay at the Tesla superchargers? That changes the situation a bit...

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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:46 pm

If they were charging, they have a right to charge. End of story. Claiming you're more entitled isn't going to get you far with most people.

If it's free charging, then that is the root problem. Even a nominal fee will discourage the freebie-seekers and encourage behavior to be more like what you're looking for. I.e., only plug in if you actually need it.
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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:57 pm

The amusing thing here is that PHEVs are often considered the Scourge of EV charging, taking precious range away from sub-100 miles BEVs just to get more miles per gallon.
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Re: Teslas blocking level 2 chargers?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:05 am

Nubo wrote:If they were charging, they have a right to charge. End of story. Claiming you're more entitled isn't going to get you far with most people.
Totally agree! My experience in many cases is that they're not even plugged-in or the EVSE is in the off mode.
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