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ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:49 pm

Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much
Two-thirds in survey see urgent problem, but just one-third would spend even $100
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/26/ame ... es-survey/
Nearly 70 percent of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, want the United States to take "aggressive" action to combat climate change — but only a third would support an extra tax of $100 a year to help, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Wednesday.

The results underscore a crucial challenge for Democrats seeking to unseat President Donald Trump in next year's election. Many will have to balance their calls for strict environmental regulation with a convincing argument for why the changes are good for taxpayers and the economy.

"There isn't any doubt climate change has emerged as an important issue in this election," said G. Terry Madonna, Director of the Center for Politics and Public Affairs at Franklin and Marshall College. "But when it comes to how you will pay for it, that's what can make a big difference. . . ."

Americans generally support Democratic calls for urgent action on climate change, according to the poll of more than 3,000 people conducted between June 11 and 14. A majority believe the United States should transition to 100% clean energy within a decade, and that clean energy would on balance "create new jobs and growth" instead of "hurt jobs and the economy."

But the plans quickly lose support when voters sense they come with a personal price tag, such paying extra taxes, higher power bills, or trading in their current vehicle for an electrical one, the poll showed. . . .

According to the poll, 69% of Americans — including 56% of Republicans and 71% of independents — believe the United States needs to take "aggressive" action to fight climate change.

Some 78% believe the government should invest more money to develop clean energy sources such as solar, wind and geothermal, including 69% of Republicans and 79% of independents.

About 65% of Americans identify themselves as Republican or Democrat, while 23% consider themselves independent, according to the poll.

More than half of Americans either strongly or somewhat support the idea of weaning the United States off fossil fuels entirely within 10 years — the central tenet of the Green New Deal — including a third of Republicans and 57% of independents.

Most Americans believe such a transition to clean energy could be good for the economy, according to the poll. Some 58% think it would generate jobs and growth, while just 14% who believe that fighting climate change would kill jobs and hurt the economy.

Among those who believe that clean energy can be good for jobs and the economy are 43% of Republicans and 62% of independents, the poll showed.

Support for such changes dropped off dramatically, however, when poll respondents where asked whether they would be willing to assume certain costs to achieve them.

Only 34% said they would be very likely or somewhat likely to pay an extra $100 a year in taxes to help, including 25% of Republicans and 33% of independents, according to the poll. The results were similar for higher power bills.

Only 38% said they would be likely to help by carpooling or using public transport, and 33% said they'd be willing to trade their car in for an electric vehicle, while 42% said they would be likely to install solar panels, according to the poll.

Currently, about 1 percent of cars sold in the United States in 2017 were electric, according to EVAdoption.com, which tracks the industry. Meanwhile, about 2 percent of U.S. homes had solar installations at the start of 2019, according to the Solar Energy Industry Association. . . .
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:54 pm

This is where primate brains and Republican reprogramming over the last several decades combine in the worst possible ways. The public has both lost faith in government because they've been hearing nonstop that government (and government spending on projects that liberals support) is Evil, and have become more selfish and consumerist and less communitarian.
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 pm

33% said they'd be willing to trade their car in for an electric vehicle
Sounds like good news.

Maybe we shouldn't be bashing other's car choices and get some butts in EVs.
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:25 pm

WetEV wrote:
33% said they'd be willing to trade their car in for an electric vehicle
Sounds like good news.

Maybe we shouldn't be bashing other's car choices and get some butts in EVs.
If "willing" meant "able and likely", I'd agree, but it doesn't. I'm willing to trade my ICE for a Model S100D, but that doesn't mean I can afford to or am going to.
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:30 pm

GRA wrote:If "willing" meant "able and likely", I'd agree, but it doesn't. I'm willing to trade my ICE for a Model S100D, but that doesn't mean I can afford to or am going to.
Yes, GRA, but your use case is about the last use case to be reasonable.
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:55 pm

WetEV wrote:
33% said they'd be willing to trade their car in for an electric vehicle
Sounds like good news.

Maybe we shouldn't be bashing other's car choices and get some butts in EVs.
LOL! I've heard such poll results for ages. Example: https://priuschat.com/threads/consumer- ... rs.100116/ this from 2011.
Moreover, a 56 percent majority is considering purchasing hybrid or electric cars as their next vehicle, and 72 percent of the respondents would consider ownership once availability increases.
Well, fast forward and it seems in the US, non-plugin hybrid adoption never got much beyond 3% (or 5%) of light vehicle sales. BEVs at last check were still at under 2% of sales. PHEVs also have figures like that.

The guys at https://www.hybridcars.com/june-2018-hy ... dashboard/ seems to have stopped creating new dashboards but back in June 2018, PHEV take rate was under 1%, ditto for BEV and non-plugin hybrids were at 2%. Non-plugin hybrids require 0 new infrastructure at home, work, public, etc. nor require any habit change on the part of the driver.

People in polls say they will "consider" but what they do is entirely different. :(

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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:27 pm

cwerdna wrote:Well, fast forward and it seems in the US, non-plugin hybrid adoption never got much beyond 3% (or 5%) of light vehicle sales. BEVs at last check were still at under 2% of sales. PHEVs also have figures like that.
Hybrids range from the simple and cheap start-stop to full hybrids like the Prius, and then on to PHEVs.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-thi ... efficiency

GM is planning on almost all start stop hybrids by next year. Sure, is a 6% boost to MPG rather than the 20%-30% of a full hybrid. At a small fraction of the cost. A Prius competes with BEVs, in many cases, and loses.

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/25/all ... tion-2020/

PHEVs are mixed grill. All of the costs and disadvantages of both electric cars and gasoline cars. And advantages of both as well.

Plug in (BEVs + PHEVs) cars are at about 1.8% of vehicle market last month. Has been several months over 2% already. Three months over 3%. All months over 2% is likely next year.

4% is probably 2022 or so. 8% is probably 2025 or so. In 2012, plug in car sales were 1/4 of 1 percent.
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:07 pm

cwerdna wrote: People in polls say they will "consider" but what they do is entirely different. :(
Yup.
GM fell into that trap with the Volt. Based on internet surveys they forecasted up to 200k sales a year ... and got 1000 a month.

However, it does mean that the person is listening. When they eventually grasp (and hopefully not too late) the cost of business as usual they will act.
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:51 pm

Ah finally, the American version of a survey and discussion thread from a couple months back that spelled trouble in Europe for ambitious green plans. Surveys will often indicate much more politically correct behavior than the respondents will actual do; especially once they realize it isn't free.

What surprises me is the number of multi-car households that don't have a plug-in. After current tax credits and rebates, they can cost same or less than a comparable ICEV and are far more efficient on total life time ownership cost. But change is hard and scary. Even those with an ICEV in the family for the infrequent trips that require longer range, aren't willing to make the switch.
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Re: ABG: Americans demand 'aggressive' climate action — as long as it doesn't cost much

Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:11 pm

These are among the examples of why climate action is not primarily a deficit in education but a deficit in caring/action.

Most people, as noted on both sides of the aisle, see the gravity of the situation. Then one is asked if (s)he will pay a tiny amount to help the cause. A minority but significant amount say yes. Yet then in practice, only a small amount of these actually pay the few extra bucks. :(

Talk is cheap and hence polls like these grossly overstate what people actually would do. How one stirs more folks to caring about a cause greater than themselves by actions, not words, is the arduous and elusive goal.
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