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GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:54 pm

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/0 ... rbzev.html
The California Air Resources Board (ARB) approved a rule that will require fixed route airport shuttles serving the state’s 13 largest airports to transition to 100% zero-emission vehicles by 2035. The regulation applies to public and private fleets, including parking facilities, rental car agencies and hotels.

With almost 1,000 airport shuttles in operation, ARB expects the regulation to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by at least 500,000 metric tons. ARB also projects a beneficial economic impact for shuttle fleets owners of an estimated $30 million in reduced fuel and maintenance costs. . . .

Zero-emission shuttles are already operating throughout California. Six airports as well as private businesses serving nine airports have purchased ZEV airport shuttles.

In addition to 48 ZEVs currently operating, nearly 100 additional zero-emission shuttles have been ordered, many of which have been awarded incentive funding through the state.

Combined, on-order and currently operating ZEV shuttles represent more than 15% of all airport shuttles in California. However, increased adoption of these technologies is needed to meet air quality and climate goals, ARB warns.

The rule will be phased in over a 13-year period. Beginning in 2022, shuttle fleets will be required to report the details of their vehicles. Starting in 2023, if fleets are replacing a ZEV shuttle, the replacement vehicle must also be a ZEV. . . .

CARB is also developing a proposal that would achieve additional emission reductions by requiring zero-emission airport ground equipment.
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:30 pm

Silliness. Legislating the inevitable. CARB has too much time on their hands.
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:51 pm

Good for CARB, if it means that purchases from ~ today are all zero emissions in order to avoid stranded assets.
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:40 pm

SageBrush wrote:Good for CARB, if it means that purchases from ~ today are all zero emissions in order to avoid stranded assets.
For 1000 vehicles. Woo-hoo! :roll:
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:43 pm

Nubo wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Good for CARB, if it means that purchases from ~ today are all zero emissions in order to avoid stranded assets.
For 1000 vehicles. Woo-hoo!
Next up: every vehicle purchase the state can influence.
I imagine that CARB chose the airports due to the concentrated pollution but they have to think bigger !
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:14 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Nubo wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Good for CARB, if it means that purchases from ~ today are all zero emissions in order to avoid stranded assets.
For 1000 vehicles. Woo-hoo!
Next up: every vehicle purchase the state can influence.
I imagine that CARB chose the airports due to the concentrated pollution but they have to think bigger !
I imagine their goal was appearance. They chose the largest airports so that first experience for visitors to the state would be these EV shuttles. I can see the logic but I really don't believe legislation should focus on such small niches. It's just grandstanding, imho.
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:37 pm

^^^ I imagine they chose the largest airports first because they serve the biggest metro areas, which also tend to have the worst air pollution. Or it might just be that there are only 13 airports in California that have enough traffic volume and large enough parking areas to need shuttles. CARB is also requiring ports, which also serve those metro areas, to clean up both the ship's own emissions by requiring them to use shore-side power while docked (and cleaner fuel while offshore), the MHE in the ports (dem/val projects underway now), the trucks ditto, and I imagine eventually the trains serving those ports. And it's not just 1,000 vehicles; as the article mentioned they're also working on regs for the airport MHE, i.e. all the baggage/fuel/food/tow etc. tractors and trucks; the shuttles are just one step.

I've been unable to find a list of the 13 airports involved, but the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... California,

which includes Tijuana, probably has all but one of them.

CARB has also been providing funds (forget if it's yet a requirement) to replace school buses with ZEVs in the most polluted districts, and eventually that will apply across the state, as will be the case with buses generally. What CARB's been doing seems to be working pretty well, although much more remains to be done:
California slashes emissions, hits major greenhouse gas goal years early
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/ar ... 066821.php
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:24 pm

Nubo wrote:Silliness. Legislating the inevitable. CARB has too much time on their hands.
I'm kinda surprised by this attitude on an EV forum.

It's not "inevitable." There is still a significant cost penalty associated with going all-electric, not just from acquisition, but also of charging infrastructure and also of disposal. I suspect the depreciation curve will be even steeper for an obsolete all-electric shuttle bus than for an all-electric passenger car.

Having sat at LAX for significant amounts of time waiting for my "FlyAway" bus to show up, it's hard to not notice the vast amount of mostly empty shuttle buses circling the roadway system. These buses only go a few miles outside of airport property and then back again. Electrification makes sense in this application, and I'm glad that CARB is pushing for it in the same way that CARB forced everybody's hand with ZEV mandates many years ago. Fuel prices in the US are simply too low to make it happen organically.

Now if/when LAX's own People Mover system with associated centralized Rental Car Center ever gets built, it will remove some of these shuttle buses. But then there's the matter of the off-airport parking lots and also the shuttles for the area hotels.
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:32 pm

GRA wrote:^^^ I imagine they chose the largest airports first because they serve the biggest metro areas, which also tend to have the worst air pollution. Or it might just be that there are only 13 airports in California that have enough traffic volume and large enough parking areas to need shuttles.

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I've been unable to find a list of the 13 airports involved, but the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... California,

which includes Tijuana, probably has all but one of them.
I would agree with you, these are likely the airports involved. Even Tijuana's airport could be involved, if that airport authority is running shuttles from the terminal extension on the US side. Per Wikipedia, a couple of the airlines do have shuttle services:
Aeroméxico provides a shuttle service from San Diego, California, United States[18] to General Abelardo L. Rodríguez International Airport to allow San Diego residents make connections within Mexico, China, while Volaris provides a shuttle service between the airport and San Diego International Airport to allow passengers travelling to the United States reach their final destination. You cannot board this shuttle at San Diego International Airport.
(That Wikipedia list also needs to be updated to reflect that BUR no longer uses the "Bob Hope" name. It reverted back to the old "Hollywood Burbank" Airport name a few years ago.)
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Re: GCC: CARB approves zero-emission airport shuttle rule

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:27 pm

RonDawg wrote:
Nubo wrote:Silliness. Legislating the inevitable. CARB has too much time on their hands.
I'm kinda surprised by this attitude on an EV forum.

It's not "inevitable." There is still a significant cost penalty associated with going all-electric, not just from acquisition, but also of charging infrastructure and also of disposal. I suspect the depreciation curve will be even steeper for an obsolete all-electric shuttle bus than for an all-electric passenger car.

Having sat at LAX for significant amounts of time waiting for my "FlyAway" bus to show up, it's hard to not notice the vast amount of mostly empty shuttle buses circling the roadway system. These buses only go a few miles outside of airport property and then back again. Electrification makes sense in this application, and I'm glad that CARB is pushing for it in the same way that CARB forced everybody's hand with ZEV mandates many years ago. Fuel prices in the US are simply too low to make it happen organically.

Now if/when LAX's own People Mover system with associated centralized Rental Car Center ever gets built, it will remove some of these shuttle buses. But then there's the matter of the off-airport parking lots and also the shuttles for the area hotels.
Meh. It's like pissing in the ocean. CARB could make far more of an impact with rules that have wide-spread effect instead of diddling with silly little stuff like this. But they never did have a lot of sense. When I moved to CA I was forced to hand over $300 because my car (which was mechanically identical in all 50 states) didn't have a "california emissions sticker". Later they helped "kill the electric car". Screw CARB.
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