rmay635703
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Re: Are PHEVs a transitional technology? Or a long lasting use case?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:40 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:02 am
rmay635703 wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:51 pm
The above is really only true in Europe
Not just wrong, way wrong
The US federal credit alone flips the PHEV to below hybrid pricing, and this does not yet include state tax credits and all the other perks that PHEV purchases receive.

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So it’s below hybrid pricing until you pay back the tax 10 years?

Our state is stating it needs to move plug in vehicle fees to $1000 Due to losses and there are zero state subsidies

The Current $555 title + license on a plug in hybrid Is bad enough
The $665 title + license on a Bev is worse and they want to increase it even more.

I really don’t see how you can remotely compare a situation where you
1. Get a subsidy On purchase
2. Get lower taxes every year (compared to ice)
3. Charging infrastructure exists.

To the patchwork setup in the us where
1. You may get a subsidy (Most states have none)
2. You pay an increasing and uncertain tax amount Annually depending on where you are located and the political wind of the day. (Compared to the cheaper ice rates)
3. There is zero charging infrastructure if you live in the wrong place

I would say the two situations arent remotely comparable unless you live in exactly the right place, Wisconsin has under 3500 plug in vehicles out of 6.5 million ICE and I can understand why
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Re: Are PHEVs a transitional technology? Or a long lasting use case?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:29 am

rmay635703 wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:40 am
Our state
Do not conflate *your* state with the rest of the world outside Europe
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Two years in Colorado, now in NM
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rmay635703
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Re: Are PHEVs a transitional technology? Or a long lasting use case?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:02 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:29 am
rmay635703 wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:40 am
Our state
Do not conflate *your* state with the rest of the world outside Europe
My state Policy wise is similar to 20 other ones And 45 of the 50 states have fewer than 10000 plug ins (PHEV+Bev) on the road.

If I got a State subsidy Or even charging infrastructure and then had to pay it back in registration taxes I could somewhat understand but in most areas of the US this isn’t how it works especially on a used vehicle.

You must live in the 10% of states that are different I guess you shouldn’t confuse CARB with the rest of the country, just as I shouldn’t confuse Wisconsin with the 5 states following carb like policies.
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Re: Are PHEVs a transitional technology? Or a long lasting use case?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:24 am

I think plug in hybrids will be looking lasting.
They are perfect for people who only want to have 1 car, would like an electric but an electric would only cover 90% of their needs.

If I still lived in maine I wouldn't have a leaf. The long winters would kill too much range for too much of the year, needing to run the defrost most of the year would eat up too much range.
It would be plug in hybrid for me for sure.

No one gives a damn about what Europe is doing. For thousands of years they killed each other for sport and they're supposed to be the authority on whatever is declared righteous. Ha!
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Re: Are PHEVs a transitional technology? Or a long lasting use case?

Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:59 pm

rmay635703 wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:02 am
My state Policy wise
That may be true -- I have not checked. But this is all about the AMOUNT of the extra fees. I'll take your word for it that your state has high fees. How many states are at your state fee amount of higher, and do not have offsetting tax credits or other perks ?

I get that you want to complain about your state
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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