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GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:23 pm

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 25-cr.html


$0.03/mile for BEV/PHEV vs. $0.06/mile for ICEs.
. . . Consumer Reports (CR) analyzed its 2019 and 2020 reliability survey data for many thousands of electric and gas-powered vehicles, and found that drivers of electric vehicles are saving an average of 50% on maintenance and repair over the life of a vehicle compared to owners of gas-powered vehicles. . . .

These findings on maintenance and repair costs are part of an upcoming white paper by Consumer Reports that compares costs of ownership for electric and gas-powered vehicles. The full white paper will be published in the coming weeks. For this report, ‘vehicle lifetime’ was defined as 200,000 miles. . . .

From GCR, same story:
. . . Perhaps even more surprising among CR’s findings is that plug-in hybrids cost less to maintain and repair than conventional gasoline vehicles—actually undercutting EVs in those costs after passing 100,000 miles. . . .

Consumer Reports doesn’t offer a reason for PHEVs’ advantage. Perhaps there is a sweet spot to be discussed in how the electrified components avoid wear to the traditional powertrain items—and, perhaps, extend the life of items like braking systems through regenerative braking. Or perhaps the repairs and maintenance simply cost more for EVs when needed. . . .

CR notes that its sample size of PHEVs and EVs with more than 100,000 miles was small—with the EVs mostly including early versions of the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model S. With a total of 200 PHEV vehicles that have more than 100,000 miles, it also likely didn’t have a sample set that represented all the different layouts for these widely varied vehicles. . . .
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:48 pm

Yeah my leaf runs for 2.3 cents per mile about 8 months out of the year. Electricity is cheap here.
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:39 pm

The money saved is nice. NOT going in for service is priceless.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:15 pm

Are tyres included in maintenance ? If so then EV maintenance on everything else is around one penny a mile for that study.

I know my LEAF has been quite spectacular in that respect. Over 4 years:
$400 -- tyres. They have 57k miles of warranty tread remaining.
$115 - 12v battery
$10 -- wiper inserts
$10 -- repair of chewed up by rodent windshield wiper tubing (should have been ~ $3 -- I lost a part)

I doubt any maintenance costs during the prior owner's lease period so $535 over ~ 7 years, and the major items will probably last until car end of life.


My Tesla Model 3 is also doing well, although it is only 2+ years old:
$50 -- Windshield repair deductible
$115 -- OEM upgrade of 2 (out of 4) USB ports to USB-C (27 watts per port)
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:17 pm

Just tires, alignment and an oil change on my 2011 leaf.
But the air conditioning works when it wants to and I haven't gotten it fixed yet.
The factory ecopia tires went about 60,000 miles.
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:35 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:48 pm
Yeah my leaf runs for 2.3 cents per mile about 8 months out of the year. Electricity is cheap here.
I think I have you beat, my display says 4.9 miles per kw and I'm paying. 3.9 cents per kwh. Plus a couple times a week I charge at work for free. I can't believe how cheap this car is to own. Had I'd known I've would of bought one sooner. Only thing I've done was the brake fluid , gearbox fluid , led upgrades and a 15 dollar headlight restore kit. Looking at what I posted I could of done none of this but I like to putz....
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:03 pm

Steelcity wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:35 pm
Oilpan4 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:48 pm
Yeah my leaf runs for 2.3 cents per mile about 8 months out of the year. Electricity is cheap here.
I think I have you beat, my display says 4.9 miles per kw and I'm paying. 3.9 cents per kwh. Plus a couple times a week I charge at work for free. I can't believe how cheap this car is to own. Had I'd known I've would of bought one sooner. Only thing I've done was the brake fluid , gearbox fluid , led upgrades and a 15 dollar headlight restore kit. Looking at what I posted I could of done none of this but I like to putz....
Nice, but while I lived in Colorado and was charging off my home PV I was paying about 0.5 cents a mile.
Now in NM, I'm using the grid so my EV running costs have jumped to ~ 2 cents a mile
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:46 pm

Why didn't you get PV in New Mexico? Don't own the property? power company not so nice?

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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:53 pm

One maintenance thing that gets me is not many people can handle or justify a battery replacement. When driving around some parts I can regularly see cars 20-30 years old, now sure they had spark plugs, large number of oil changes, belts, muffler and such but the dings were spread out over many years. While EV battery life has improved dramatically I think the range will be heavily reduced in 20 years. I guess people will just adjust and people with small budgets will only drive around town. I am just imagining this in combination with mandates like CA is proposing.

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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:15 am

salyavin wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:53 pm
One maintenance thing that gets me is not many people can handle or justify a battery replacement. When driving around some parts I can regularly see cars 20-30 years old, now sure they had spark plugs, large number of oil changes, belts, muffler and such but the dings were spread out over many years. While EV battery life has improved dramatically I think the range will be heavily reduced in 20 years. I guess people will just adjust and people with small budgets will only drive around town. I am just imagining this in combination with mandates like CA is proposing.
As battery sizes increase, reduced range will still be more than a new 2011 LEAF had.
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