SageBrush
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:31 am

salyavin wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:46 pm
Why didn't you get PV in New Mexico? Don't own the property? power company not so nice?
Many issues, but #1 is a difficult roof
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

Oilpan4
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:24 am

I get 4.4 miles per kwh that because I tow stuff with my leaf.
Then in the winter with the resistance heat I was getting between 3.3 and 3.6 miles per kwh. With the addion of the diesel fired heater I get more like 3.8 to 4 miles per kwh.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:01 am

it feels like most on this thread do much better than the 3.6 miles/kWh that the epa states.

Sage, do you find in local driving your M3 provides any better efficiency than your 13 Leaf?
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
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Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
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SageBrush
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:14 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:01 am
Sage, do you find in local driving your M3 provides any better efficiency than your 13 Leaf?
Quite similar
Low speeds, low power.

The LEAF is lighter but the Tesla has better (higher kW) regen so it balances out. I am usually a non-aggressive driver but the other day I drove my Tesla like a hormonally disturbed teenager, stomping on the go pedal when conditions allowed. Quite amazingly, I still managed 5 miles per kWh on the complete to and back trip. My 'scan my tesla' app (similar to LeafSpy but with a lot more information) showed 60% of energy pulled from the battery was recouped through regeneration.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

salyavin
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:29 pm

WetEV wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:15 am
As battery sizes increase, reduced range will still be more than a new 2011 LEAF had.

You are right there. It would be quite a long time before my plus degrades to the 2011 range, the car may well be more than 20 years old by then.

GRA
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Re: GCC: ConsumerReports analysis finds EV owners spending half as much on maintenance compared to owners of gas veh.

Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:41 pm

Re the topic title, OTOH via GCC:
Analysis finds annual running cost of EVs less than ICE; but with purchase price factored in, it flips
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/1 ... -self.html

Self Financial, a fintech company, has compared the running costs of electric and non-electric vehicles in each state. Across the US the average annual cost of running an electric vehicle is $2,721.96, while gasoline vehicles cost an average of $3,355.90 per year to run—a difference of $633.94 annually.

However, these annual costs don’t take into account the purchase cost of the vehicle itself and are purely the ‘running’ costs annually. When the purchase cost of each type of vehicle is factored in, average gasoline vehicles are $1,454 per year cheaper to run. EVs cost an average of $9,406 per year (including the purchase price) to run compared to $7,952 annually for gas vehicles (including the purchase price).

To remedy this purchase cost issue, many states across the US have introduced various incentive programs. In 21 of the 50 States there are cash, parking and rebate incentives to buy an electric vehicle.

While many of these incentives come with stipulations and clauses, the Self Financial study found that buyers could knock off as much as $700 from their annual purchase and running costs by using local and State incentives. . . .


Just to confuse things, also GCC:
Consumer Reports: most popular electric vehicles cost less to own than the best-selling gas-powered vehicles in their class
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/1 ... -crev.html

Owning a plug-in electric vehicle today will save consumers thousands of dollars compared to owning a gas-powered vehicle, according to a new analysis by Consumer Reports comparing electrics to CR’s top-rated vehicles, as well as the best-selling, most efficient, and best-performing gasoline-powered vehicles on the market.

The analysis found lifetime ownership costs for the most popular EVs on the market under $50,000 are typically $6,000 to $10,000 less than the best gas-powered vehicles in their class (defined by vehicle style, size, interior volume, and cargo space). Tesla’s Model 3, the best selling EV on the market, delivered the biggest savings: at least $15,000 compared to both the BMW 330i (best selling) and Audi A4 (top rated).

The overall out-of-pocket-costs for many consumers who finance will be lower in their very first year of ownership, despite the fact that the upfront cost of electric vehicles remains higher today than their gas-powered counterparts.

Where the savings come from:

EV drivers are paying half as much to repair and maintain their vehicles—averaging $4,600 over the life of an EV.

EV owners are spending 60% less to power their vehicle with electricity instead of gasoline. Owners of EVs with a range of 250 miles or greater will be able to do 92% of their charging at home, needing only six stops at a public fast-charger per year.

Mainstream EVs, those with at least 200 miles of range or greater, are projected to hold their value as well as comparable gas-powered vehicles. New data obtained by CR from ALG, a data and analytics subsidiary of automotive pricing and information website TrueCar, shows that when adjusted for federal purchase incentives, both battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are expected to depreciate at the same rate as ICE vehicles in the same class over the first five years of ownership.

Consumers in the market for a used vehicle, which make up 70% of car purchases, are poised to benefit significantly as they get access to these mainstream EVs over the coming years. Since previously-owned vehicles cost less upfront but have greater maintenance and repair costs, consumers in the market for a used vehicle are in line to pocket a significant portion of an EV’s overall lifetime savings potential, according to Consumer Reports.
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