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Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:07 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world ... ?th&emc=th

from the NY Times; a new report showing (once again) another country we dont see eye to eye, having huge vital mineral resources including what could be one of the largest Lithium sources in the world.

now is the sticking point on battery prices, LI availability and would this drive prices down or would it being in an unstable?? country mean its jus something else we would pay thru the nose for?
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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:15 am

Yes, this news has been going around.

Here is a useful look at the state of Lithium mining (before Afghan discoveries).

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6228

Very little Li is used in Li batteries. Current cost of Lithium is $11/kwh - obviously insignificant.
Current price is $500 to $700 / kwh - though Nissan supposedly has even lower price for their Nissan Leaf. Let us take $500 / kwh. Since 24kwh battery is said to use 4 kg of Li - 1 kwh would use some 170 gm. Taking metalic Li price as $40 / kg, we are looking at some $7 / kwh. Let us make that $10/kwh.

So, currently only 2% of the battery cost is because of Lithium. How much would that have to increase to make the battery cost 5 times ? (Lithium price needs to go from $40/kg to $2,040/kg or 126 times)

We can cross check this using information from here. "They showed that you need 1.4 kg of lithium carbonate per kilowatt hour of battery." That gives a cost of $11 / kwh (using $8/kg).

http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid= ... 0&end=6239
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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:37 am

Between the Gold and Lithium.......we ain't NEVER leaving Afghanistan! :?
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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:56 am

There is a huge source of lithium, much closer to the US, in Bolivia. Sadly, I fear that for many years to come Afghanistan's primary resource "contribution" to the world will be opium.
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Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:07 am

planet4ever wrote:There is a huge source of lithium, much closer to the US, in Bolivia.

Shhhh! That kind of talk would have us invading Bolivia next! :shock: :lol:
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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:07 am

I expect Pakistani generals/Taliban & Karzai to strike a deal soon. They will suspend hostilities in the mines and share the proceeds. In rest of the places they will continue to fight. :lol:
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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:28 am

well considering the resources were first discovered by the Russians, it does shed A LOT of light as to why they wanted the area so badly since it would appear to serve no other purpose.

the original assertion that Russia wanted the area as a strategic military base never did fly with me
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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:05 pm

Mineral resources are different than oil. With oil, a major supply disruption can bring the world's economies to their knees in a matter of weeks. A tankful of gas doesn't last very long. Once you have a battery, it's a battery for a long time.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:36 pm

The lithium cells we want to use in EVs - LiFePO4 and LiMn - don't use metallic lithium, they use lithium salts. There's PLENTY available in sea water. It's cheaper and easier to get the salts from areas formerly under water. There are recently discovered lithium deposits in the US as well.

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Re: Afghanistan Mineral Resources

Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:03 pm

AndyH wrote:There's PLENTY available in sea water. It's cheaper and easier to get the salts from areas formerly under water. There are recently discovered lithium deposits in the US as well.
But it's quite dilute actually in seawater (0.1-0.2 ppm). Like you say, cheaper and easier to get the salts that were in seawater.
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