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Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:35 am
by garygid
You might not like the law, but it IS the law.
It should not be difficult to try to identify "illegals".

If this law seems too "racial", then by all means, it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.

Then the law would not be racial in any way. Just good, proper, easily-checked identification at any transaction.

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:26 pm
by evnow
garygid wrote:... it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.
Sounds like a police state to me ... and definitely violates the constitution.

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:41 pm
by mwalsh
evnow wrote:Sounds like a police state to me ... and definitely violates the constitution.
But that's what constitutional amendments are for. ;)

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:16 pm
by AndyH
evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
How so?

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:53 pm
by evnow
AndyH wrote:
evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
How so?
What Gary is proposing is far more than what HR 418 wants. Some provisions of even 418 have been struck down.

Depending on how exactly this proposal is written it would violate the 1st amendment and/or commerce clause, at a minimum.

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:03 pm
by EVDRIVER
I was so glad I only lived in AZ one year but I do love the desert:)

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:06 pm
by AndyH
evnow wrote:
AndyH wrote:
evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
How so?
What Gary is proposing is far more than what HR 418 wants. Some provisions of even 418 have been struck down.

Depending on how exactly this proposal is written it would violate the 1st amendment and/or commerce clause, at a minimum.
I don't know, evnow. The funny thing is, I'm a disabled veteran with a full file in both the USAF and VA systems. Every time I request information or work within the system I have to present identification. I have to present an ID card to get on base, again when I check-in with a doctor or check-out at a store. I have to present an ID for myself, and a birth certificate for my son to register him for school on base. I got a reauthorization for my VA mortgage guarantee last week and had to resubmit my discharge package to prove that I served even though I have an open file with the VA. Bottom line - no papers, no authorization.

Why in the world would it be somehow cruel or unusual to have people bring proper ID to a school when registering their kids? This is just as taxpayer funded as the military system, right?

(I don't agree with Gary's suggestion that banks, restaurants, stores, or businesses have a need to know, however.)

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:06 pm
by mwalsh
EVDRIVER wrote:I was so glad I only lived in AZ one year but I do love the desert:)
Too hot in AZ for me. Plus, I get asked WAY too much already if I'm a Mexican here in SoCal (and I'm not even all that tanned AND have red(ish) hair!).

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:54 pm
by Azrich
garygid wrote:You might not like the law, but it IS the law.
It should not be difficult to try to identify "illegals".

If this law seems too "racial", then by all means, it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.

Then the law would not be racial in any way. Just good, proper, easily-checked identification at any transaction.
On the news yesterday, they said the Tucson police and Pima County sheriff officers will view a 3 hour training video sometime during the next two days. This is suppose to teach them when and where to ask for papers. I'm just waiting for the law suits to begin with "born and bred" Americans (of many races) are asked for papers by the police and of course, don't have them. I've been mistaken for Hispanic many times and my ancestors came to the "New World" from southern Germany (Bavaria) in 1754.

What Gary is proposing is a police state. Everyone carry citizenship papers. Do I need to wear my passport around my neck? If it gets to that, its time to leave this state. Canada sounds nice.

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:04 pm
by Azrich
AndyH:
Why in the world would it be somehow cruel or unusual to have people bring proper ID to a school when registering their kids? This is just as taxpayer funded as the military system, right?
I've taught in Arizona public schools for 23 years. The ladies in the school office do ask for a birth certificate and make a copy of it whenever a new student is registered. These sweet, office ladies get paid $7.50 / hour. If they must turn in anyone who is born outside the U.S. to the immigration department or the Border Patrol they have just been made into U.S. Immigration officers who make triple that pay. That doesn't make sense.

A school's purpose is to educate children, not police who should live here or not.