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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:02 pm

Its all doom, that is why I wont be bothered to get out of bed on Nov 6 to vote for Obama.. its of no use.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:10 pm

Herm wrote:Its all doom, that is why I wont be bothered to get out of bed on Nov 6 to vote for Obama.. its of no use.
That's OK, on November 7th you will be roused from bed at a very early 3AM with banging on your door. Better sleep in striped pajamas that night so as not to freeze when you are herded onto the trains.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:28 am

Matt Ridley has a very different view of the future in The Rational Optimist



For him the progress up to now has been mainly because specialization and exchange and going back to autosufficiency is no solution at all.

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:36 am

Two points about Mr. Ridley's point of view. The first is that it's a nice summary of how we got to today - so it's historical rather than forward-looking. The second is that this video is one of many that are from the perspective of the bacteria inside the glass bottle. And from that perspective, everything's fine right up to the point that it's not - and then it's way too late. That last doubling of population - that last increment of "that's the way we've always done it" is fabulous - until we hit the windshield.

Here's hoping we're smart enough to turn before the herd runs off the cliff.

Besides - reclaiming some of our self sufficiency does not mean we're magically transported back to 1469! Our parents/grandparents could grow their own food, make their own butter, and pump their own water before oil. Should we settle for being less intelligent or less capable than they were?
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:52 am

mitch672 wrote:...There are some energy solutions in the works, but you don't hear much about them, H3 for example, most countries have plans to "mine the moon" for H3, and finally get fusion reactors working, don't know if its going to happen, or happen in time, but it may be a partial solution to the energy needs of the world...
I've been reading the hype about fusion for fifty years, along with "flying cars" and the like. It is best described as "fusion power is only ten to twenty years away... and always will be". Among the claims of proponents: fusion won't produce radioactive waste like fission power. Nope, the intense radiation of the fusion reaction will make containment vessels and other process components radioactive.

A sustainable, well-controlled, fusion power process is a very hard problem. Perhaps it will be solved someday but don't expect to see fusion power plants anytime soon.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:14 pm

AndyH wrote:Besides - reclaiming some of our self sufficiency does not mean we're magically transported back to 1469!
I agree, but you'd never know that listening to the "There's no tomorrow" video...

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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:23 pm

I think they were mining peat in the Netherlands back then, certainly not sustainable.

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:40 pm

AndyH wrote:<snip>
Besides - reclaiming some of our self sufficiency does not mean we're magically transported back to 1469! Our parents/grandparents could grow their own food, make their own butter, and pump their own water before oil. Should we settle for being less intelligent or less capable than they were?
Nothing magic about it at all. In fact it's going to be down right ugly. When you carve out your compound, make sure you don't forget the razor wire and lots of ammunition.

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:31 pm

34:53... perfect length for a sub to occupy a class.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:21 am

TickTock wrote:
AndyH wrote:<snip>
Besides - reclaiming some of our self sufficiency does not mean we're magically transported back to 1469! Our parents/grandparents could grow their own food, make their own butter, and pump their own water before oil. Should we settle for being less intelligent or less capable than they were?
Nothing magic about it at all. In fact it's going to be down right ugly. When you carve out your compound, make sure you don't forget the razor wire and lots of ammunition.
Some have chosen to see the world that way. I don't agree. A total break-down is one possibility but it's certainly not the only possibility, and I've not yet seen anything that suggests it's even highly probable.

Though it wouldn't be the first time some portions of humanity have struggled to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...
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