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Re: Does the Leaf appeal to conservatives?

Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:57 am

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sjfotos wrote: Also, I sure wish I had been able to take more flights on a Gulfstream!! Yeah, I may be green, but sitting in a spacious cabin without some kid kicking the back of your seat for three hours is a treat :)
I'm sure it was. (/jealousy off)

But where is the greater evil? Riding in a jet that has very low passenger miles/gallon of gas, or a parent letting their child misbehave by kicking your chair? :lol:

I would be eternally grateful if Congress could enact a law regarding children on passenger jets. I am thinking along the lines of a storage compartment :lol:
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Re: Does the Leaf appeal to conservatives?

Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:02 am

sjfotos wrote:I have no reason to doubt that a Gulfstream consumes more fuel per passenger mile than a 737.
That depends on seat occupancy percentage ! And I've seen a lot of sparsely occupied 737s.

And if one "high level" VIP travels commercially you also need to take into account the extent of their "entourage" (think security, assistant(s), etc) to compute the impact "per trip".

( I am neither criticizing nor advocating use of private jets. That decision (with all of its impact and implications) is up to the "user". )
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Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:05 am

LEAFer wrote:And if one "high level" VIP travels commercially you also need to take into account the extent of their "entourage" (think security, assistant(s), etc) to compute the impact "per trip".
Most of the heads of state, when they travel, take domestic journalists on tour. The jet is never empty.

Now, let us discuss private jets of corporate executives ;-)
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Gags and restraints for unruly kids, and adults too?

And, there is sitting next to the guy who hasn't changed clothes or bathed for a week.
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I don't like subsides in general like paying a farmer not to grow corn and to leave his field empty is dumb. The farmer should grow wheat or something else. I do agree that farmers need money at times as loans to make it from a bad year to the next year to pay the loan back. Some of the biggest farms are large corporations getting the money that is plan wrong.

To my point like the highway system and the early railroad which used large government support help bring on the industrial revolution and make the USA what we are today. I think the US government should help with the installation of charging equipment. I support the power company's getting credits to give power at a lower cost or free to EV's in exchange for credits toward there renewable requirements at the same time the government requiring them in the future to increase renewable levels from the 10-15% level up to 30%. That would be a win win. People would buy the EV cars because they would be much cheaper in the long run then a ICE car with ever increasing cost of gas.
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Re: Does the Leaf appeal to conservatives?

Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:17 am

garygid wrote:Gags and restraints for unruly kids, and adults too?

And, there is sitting next to the guy who hasn't changed clothes or bathed for a week.
LOL...yes, the joys of air travel are endless!
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Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:21 pm

Gonewild wrote:I don't like subsides in general like paying a farmer not to grow corn and to leave his field empty is dumb. The farmer should grow wheat or something else. I do agree that farmers need money at times as loans to make it from a bad year to the next year to pay the loan back. Some of the biggest farms are large corporations getting the money that is plan wrong.

To my point like the highway system and the early railroad which used large government support help bring on the industrial revolution and make the USA what we are today. I think the US government should help with the installation of charging equipment. I support the power company's getting credits to give power at a lower cost or free to EV's in exchange for credits toward there renewable requirements at the same time the government requiring them in the future to increase renewable levels from the 10-15% level up to 30%. That would be a win win. People would buy the EV cars because they would be much cheaper in the long run then a ICE car with ever increasing cost of gas.
Using the highway system as an example - keep in mind that the reality of the interstate system might be different from how it was sold to the taxpayers. It was very important to be able to move troops and equipment around the country in times of war. And many of the straight sections of our highway system were planned as emergency airfields. A large part of the highway system, like the internet, got it's start with military cash.

Subsidies are only tools and aren't a negative thing when they move us in a good direction. (Trying to remember the rules for karma...a negative thing used for a positive purpose is positive?) ;)

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Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:42 pm

Gonewild wrote:Some of the biggest farms are large corporations getting the money that is plan wrong.
I also have a big problem with people who remembered that subsidies and deficits are a bad thing on January 20, 2009.
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Re: Does the Leaf appeal to conservatives?

Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:07 am

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sjfotos wrote: Also, I sure wish I had been able to take more flights on a Gulfstream!! Yeah, I may be green, but sitting in a spacious cabin without some kid kicking the back of your seat for three hours is a treat :)
I'm sure it was. (/jealousy off)

But where is the greater evil? Riding in a jet that has very low passenger miles/gallon of gas, or a parent letting their child misbehave by kicking your chair? :lol:
Ah, the envy.

Be honest, JimmyDreams and sjfotos... when someone sees conspicuous consumption, maybe that guy with the Escalade or the Gulfstream, and bemoans his carbon footprint and seeks regulation to reign in his lifestyle to be more in line with their own, do you think it's always about the environment, or is there just a little deep seeded anger that they don't have that lifestyle too?
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