User avatar
DeaneG
Posts: 1110
Joined: Tue May 04, 2010 9:20 pm
Delivery Date: 01 Apr 2011
Leaf Number: 594
Location: Cupertino, CA

EV Subsidies a handout for the rich?

Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:20 pm

Here is an interesting paragraph at slashdot opening the viewpoint that EV subsidies are a a handout for the rich. Two of the links in the paragraph are worthwhile (as well as the comments): a Slate article containing that actual argument, and the other link pointing to a discussion of current Li battery attributes and estimates of a future cost trajectory:

http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/0 ... ?art_pos=4

http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/pagenum/all/

http://www.bcg.com/documents/file36615.pdf
White SL w/L3, 3kWDC Solar PV

User avatar
evnow
Moderator
Posts: 11480
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:41 am
Delivery Date: 25 Feb 2011
Leaf Number: 303
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: EV Subsidies a handout for the rich?

Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:26 pm

My comment ...
You are absolutely right. The federal government shouldn't subsidize EVs.

Instead all gasoline / oil subsidies should be withdrawn. After 150 years in the business, oil should not be subsidized any longer. All the "externalities" should be properly accounted for and priced. Afterall you don't beleive in socializing costs and privatizing profits, do you ?

This includes
- "security" costs in the middle east. Let the big oil and saudis pay thoses costs. We will save $500 Billion a year !
- All environmental costs should be priced and excise duties placed on oil to account for that
- All healthcare costs of burning oil should be be priced and excise duties placed on oil to account for that

What do you think the price of oil will be if we do this ? By some estimates, $480 a barrel. How do you think your "making $54,000, live in the suburbs and rural areas, and depend heavily on their cars" people will fare with $10 a gallon gas ? But, I'm sure EVs in this case will not need any subsidies.

I'm looking forward to your unbiased article on the subsidies and externalized costs of oil as well, now that you have bravely talked about EV subsidies.
1st Leaf : 2/28/2011 to 5/6/2013
2nd Leaf : 5/4/2013 to 3/21/2017
Volt : 3/25/2017 to 5/25/2018
Model 3 : 5/10/2018 to ?

User avatar
Kataphn
Posts: 753
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:57 am
Delivery Date: 13 Jun 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Re: EV Subsidies a handout for the rich?

Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:51 pm

You go, EVnow!
Delivered: May 3, 2011
VIN: 1467 made 3-7-11
SL, Blue, eTec trim, EV project Blink
[purchased] as of 11-1-13: 25,000: 11 bars
Also have a PiP

User avatar
cinmar
Posts: 266
Joined: Fri May 28, 2010 1:16 pm
Delivery Date: 01 May 2011
Leaf Number: 1818
Location: Stockton, CA

Re: EV Subsidies a handout for the rich?

Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:27 pm

Where's the like button on this thing? ;)
Reserved 4/20/10 * Ordered 10/25/10 * EDD April->May->Pending->June->April 11th->April 27th->April 29th->May 5th->DELIVERED 5/1/11
Carwings: 4/12/11 - 7-day email:4/21/11
Glacier Pearl SL + QC
4.9 kW SunPower PV Panels

Zythryn
Posts: 1112
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:49 am

Re: EV Subsidies a handout for the rich?

Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:38 pm

Very well said!
Previous owner of Prius, Volt, Leaf & Model S
Current owner of Model 3
http://www.netzeromn.com

Return to “Business / Economy and Politics”