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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:04 am

blobm wrote:
smkettner wrote:
planet4ever wrote:But Gary said included EVSE, i.e. the one that comes "free" with the car. He's calling it an L2 because it runs at 208-240v rather than the US L1 at 110-120v.
Does the UK version have an evse module? or does it just plug in?
As far as I know, UK Nissan do not use the terms 'EVSE', 'L1' or 'L2'. The UK Leaf will have, as part of the vehicle & included in the price, a bag containing a cable assembly (similar to your L1, but operating at 230V 13A) which can be plugged into ANY normal UK 3-pin 230V 13A socket. From empty to full would take 10 to 11 hours. So if you are visiting a friend, you can just plug it into their socket and top up the car. It's that simple. It will be interesting to see how long your friends remain friends - unless you can come to a reciprocal arrangement!! Regards Bob.
OK, but is it just a cord or does it have the module in the cord like the US version?
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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:15 am

smkettner wrote:OK, but is it just a cord or does it have the module in the cord like the US version?
Bob will be the local UK authority on that ... but given everything we know ... a pilot signal is required. This implies the "module" is required too.
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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:43 pm

I'm guessing it's completely identical except for some of the guts.
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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:11 pm

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LEAFer wrote:..Let's say, yours was "stolen". ;)
Bob, let's say it was stolen 12 times, with a reasonable markup for you, of course.
I have absolutely no idea how much it would cost to replace. If it was stolen once, I'd claim for its replacement under my house insurance! If it was stolen 12 times - I'd probably arrange for some wholesale trade discount......or move to a safer neighbourhood! Regards Bob

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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:29 pm

johnr wrote:I'm guessing it's completely identical except for some of the guts.
Yes, I would agree with that. There has to be some device in-built in the cable assembly to identify that it is the UK equivalent of the L1 coupled to the common LEAF input socket rather than a UK 'L2' connection. Regards Bob.

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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:48 pm

blobm wrote:I have absolutely no idea how much it would cost to replace. If it was stolen once, I'd claim for its replacement under my house insurance! If it was stolen 12 times - I'd probably arrange for some wholesale trade discount......or move to a safer neighbourhood! Regards Bob
I don't think you got the point - he is saying you can arrange to buy new cables to replace your "stolen" one and ship them state side for a tidy profit.
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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:46 pm

Would there be any issue with the fact that UK 240v is 50Hz whereas in the US 240v is 60Hz?

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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:51 pm

indyflick wrote:Would there be any issue with the fact that UK 240v is 50Hz whereas in the US 240v is 60Hz?
The difference is even greater than that:

US - (2) 120V legs make up the 240V, plus a ground, sometimes a neutral (3 wire vs 4 wire)

UK - (1) 230V leg along with a "neutral", also a ground as well (3 wire)

So the 240V is arrived at by different methods, 1 pole of 230V or (2) poles of 120V
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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:09 pm

indyflick wrote:Would there be any issue with the fact that UK 240v is 50Hz whereas in the US 240v is 60Hz?
IMO, no Only if a motor was involved would it matter.
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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:33 pm

I was wanting to know more about the UK-13A "e-hose" contraption (230v 13amp device) that is included by Nissan with the LEAF.

I was unaware of the UK-16A unit (230v 16 amps) that you say will be sold there in the UK, but would like to know more about it as well.

In thinking about the possible adaption of the UK-13A unit to use as a "L2" EVSE in the USA, the 230 to 240 volts is not likely to make a difference.

The slightly different "source" of the two "power" wires is probably insignificant, but a "GFI" function might be implemented differently in the UK. The UK plug (into the wall) should have a 13A fuse in it, I believe.

The 50 to 60 cycles would only matter if the AC was used for timing the Control Pilot signal, which is possible, but not really likely.

So, after replacing the UK plug with a suitable USA 240v plug, would the UK-13A work in the USA as an inexpensive portable L2 EVSE?

As a "replacement" part, or "spare" e-hose, what will it cost to obtain a "UK-13A" from a dealer in the UK?
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