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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KW Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:10 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:12 pm
The car is guaranteed for 8 years to be at least roughly 65% of original capacity. In 2025 I'm sure the EV market will be very different than what it is today so trying to plan for something that far in the future is difficult at best.
I've heard it's only applicable for gen2, not gen1, am I right?

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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KW Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:20 pm

Andrey wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:10 pm
goldbrick wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:12 pm
The car is guaranteed for 8 years to be at least roughly 65% of original capacity. In 2025 I'm sure the EV market will be very different than what it is today so trying to plan for something that far in the future is difficult at best.
I've heard it's only applicable for gen2, not gen1, am I right?

The Gen I capacity warranty, which was added by Nissan after a lawsuit began, is for 5 years or 60k miles.
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 pm

The Leaf 30 carries an 8 year degradation warranty and is Gen 1.
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:52 pm

joeriv wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 pm
The Leaf 30 carries an 8 year degradation warranty and is Gen 1.

True enough. I should have been more clear. The 5Yr/60k warranty applies to 24kwh packs, and the 8Yr/100k mile warranty applies to 30kwh packs, and, IIRC, to 40kwh and 62kwh packs as well.
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:06 pm

joeriv wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 pm
The Leaf 30 carries an 8 year degradation warranty and is Gen 1.
I wonder why I see everywhere people call different model years of same gen (2010-2017) as two different gens (2010-2012 and 2013-207).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf
I thought the same and current gen is 3.

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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:46 pm

There is not that much difference between a 2015 and 2106 and some 2016 cars had 24kWh packs while some had 30kWh packs. A 2018 is obviously very different than a 2011-2017 with a completely new body style, etc. Plus all 2018-2019 have 40kWh or 62kWh packs, at least in the USA.

I don't know if Nissan calls their cars Gen 1 vs Gen 2 or that is just what the rest of the world calls them. In any event, there are significant differences between 2011-2012 vs 2013. Then some significant changes between 2015 and (some) 2106/2017. Add in the variations of trim level (which vary around the world) which also changed year by year and it gets complicated.

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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:17 pm

Andrey wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:06 pm
joeriv wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 pm
The Leaf 30 carries an 8 year degradation warranty and is Gen 1.
I wonder why I see everywhere people call different model years of same gen (2010-2017) as two different gens (2010-2012 and 2013-207).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf
I thought the same and current gen is 3.

In 2013 The Leaf was "refreshed" with several new features, and the US production of the Leaf in Smyrna, TN began. The appearance of the body remained virtually the same, albeit with the Japanese-built car's front fender marker lights getting omitted for US production, but several aluminum panels were replaced with steel, the onboard charger was moved from the cargo area to the front motor compartment, numerous suggestions made by previous Leaf drivers were implemented, and even the power curve of the motor changed, for various reasons including the use of less expensive magnets in the motor. The battery chemistry was improved as well, although Leafs built in Smyrna through March of 2013 received the older, more degradation-prone battery chemistry - but in the newer battery case, oddly enough...

Call it "Gen 1.5"...
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:49 pm

^^^
Yep.

http://sfbayleafs.org/news/2013/01/2013 ... ighlights/
http://sfbayleafs.org/commentary/2013/0 ... s-changed/

I would also call model years 2013 to 2017 "gen 1.5". It was a mid-cycle refresh.

I would call model year 2018 thru present gen 2. I don't know anything about the wikipedia entry. I often ignore those as some are full of crap and wonkiness (e.g. the Prius entries use incorrect designations like "XW20" and "XW30". No! There were NHW10, NHW11, NHW20, ZVW30, etc.))

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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:54 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:52 pm
joeriv wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 pm
The Leaf 30 carries an 8 year degradation warranty and is Gen 1.

True enough. I should have been more clear. The 5Yr/60k warranty applies to 24kwh packs, and the 8Yr/100k mile warranty applies to 30kwh packs, and, IIRC, to 40kwh and 62kwh packs as well.
Correct.

Goldbrick: The warranty is by capacity bars, not by any percentage. It needs to be down to 8 bars before capacity warranty expiration. Nissan is free to muck w/the definition/amount of each bar.

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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:22 pm

There is a shop in Chicago that will do this sort of work, replacing or updating any hybrid or electric vehicle pack I bet. Probably just to original specs, or installing a new or used one.

http://www.besthybridbatteries.com/

I pulled a PTC heater out of a 2013 Leaf salvage they had there, they had already removed and done something with the pack, I assume put it in someone's car for them. They had all manner of vehicles on site; Prius, GM 4 mode hybrid trucks, etc. The guy there was a little grumpy with my dickering antics, but I got a working PTC heater for $50 (my gamble, it worked). Aside from being grumpy, they did seem like they knew what they are doing and there were a couple customers there they looked like they were actively at work.

Their website looks like they will build replacement packs and ship to a pre-vetted capable shop local to you for installation.
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