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Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:52 pm
by LeftieBiker
OK, I think we've established the details of this particular disagreement. I don't think that OrientExpress is going to stop defending Nissan, and TexasLeaf isn't going to start believing that he "didn't do his homework" so some of you may want to consider filtering each other. Just click on the username profile, and then click on "add Foe."

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:01 pm
by WetEV
OrientExpress wrote:Always do your homework first, and buy the right tool for the job.
Let people know what the limits of tools are. This is a request.

The LEAF is a fine car for around town, and for shorter trips. One QC needed? No problem, unless you live in Phoenix or similar. Two or three, maybe in a cooler place. Or in winter.

The LEAF is not a road trip car, unless you are not in a hurry.

The more people that know that, the fewer unhappy customers Nissan will have.

Happy customers pay dividends in the future. Not so unhappy customers.

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:22 pm
by OrientExpress
WetEV wrote: Let people know what the limits of tools are. This is a request.

Happy customers pay dividends in the future. Not so unhappy customers.
I agree, and continue to try to drive that point home every time the chance presents it. The challenge of course is that my reach is limited, and as with just about every retail product sold today that involves a sales person, the limitations of a product are not always conveyed, and the consumer will assume a capability or does not even consider what they will be using the product for until they are actually using it. We have all been there. For BEVs, at this point in time IMO there are none on the market today that are capable of being a 1:1 analog for an ICE vehicle, especially for long distance travel. They are fine for round trips under 300 or so miles, but beyond that, they are simply not there yet.

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:25 pm
by markb1
TexasLeaf wrote:

Remember that the reason Nissan has stated that the #Rapidgate fix is not available in the USA is because people in the USA have not been complaining about slow charging caused by batter overheating, https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-rapid ... ix-europe/. If we are going to get the #Rapidgate fix in the USA then ALL OF US in the USA that have a 2018 Leaf (or a 40 kWh battery pack) need to call or email Nissan EVERY TIME we experience slow charging caused by high battery temperatures. The Nissan Consumer Affairs phone number is 800-647-7261, option 7.
Just wanted to add I voiced my complaint on this. The articles indicate May 9, 2018 is the cutoff on when new cars had the update installed and my mfr date is shortly before that. Also good idea to mention that their cost/benefit calculation might not consider how this impacts reputation and future sales. I always state this as a limitation when talking about the Leaf, mention it on social media, so others may be inclined to go with a competitor if/when they buy an EV. The problem isn't big for me now but will be more so as battery degrades.

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 3:08 am
by Evoforce
The sad thing is, most people won't have a clue about the shortcomings of the Nissan Leaf. They also won't have enough technical savvy to know there are now much better electric cars on the market by other manufacturers in the same price range. #Rapidgate is still going to be a problem worldwide even with Nissan's supposed fix.

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 4:28 am
by WetEV
LEAF owners mostly don't care about QC speed.

QC is a rare event in the average LEAFs use, almost all LEAF driving is local.

Consumer Reports owner's survey show 5/5 satisfaction, the highest.

If you want to drive from Seattle to LA, the LEAF is not the car to buy. If you want a nice around town and commuter car, consider a LEAF.

If you want a hammer, don't buy a saw.
(edit:typos)

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 7:50 am
by DaveinOlyWA
markb1 wrote:
TexasLeaf wrote:

Remember that the reason Nissan has stated that the #Rapidgate fix is not available in the USA is because people in the USA have not been complaining about slow charging caused by batter overheating, https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-rapid ... ix-europe/. If we are going to get the #Rapidgate fix in the USA then ALL OF US in the USA that have a 2018 Leaf (or a 40 kWh battery pack) need to call or email Nissan EVERY TIME we experience slow charging caused by high battery temperatures. The Nissan Consumer Affairs phone number is 800-647-7261, option 7.
Just wanted to add I voiced my complaint on this. The articles indicate May 9, 2018 is the cutoff on when new cars had the update installed and my mfr date is shortly before that. Also good idea to mention that their cost/benefit calculation might not consider how this impacts reputation and future sales. I always state this as a limitation when talking about the Leaf, mention it on social media, so others may be inclined to go with a competitor if/when they buy an EV. The problem isn't big for me now but will be more so as battery degrades.
there is no cutoff date in North America. I know several with 2019's who see the slowdown.

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 9:33 pm
by Evoforce
OrientExpress wrote:
WetEV wrote: Let people know what the limits of tools are. This is a request.

Happy customers pay dividends in the future. Not so unhappy customers.
I agree, and continue to try to drive that point home every time the chance presents it. The challenge of course is that my reach is limited, and as with just about every retail product sold today that involves a sales person, the limitations of a product are not always conveyed, and the consumer will assume a capability or does not even consider what they will be using the product for until they are actually using it. We have all been there. For BEVs, at this point in time IMO there are none on the market today that are capable of being a 1:1 analog for an ICE vehicle, especially for long distance travel. They are fine for round trips under 300 or so miles, but beyond that, they are simply not there yet.
There are great 1:1 ICE replacement cars already being manufactured. For what most Americans want, Nissan refuses to produce that ICE replacement and charging infrastructure.

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:46 am
by OrientExpress
Evoforce wrote:There are great 1:1 ICE replacement cars already being manufactured. For what most Americans want, Nissan refuses to produce that ICE replacement and charging infrastructure.
I'm intrigued, would you tell me which BEVs you believe are 1:1 replacements for ICEs?

Re: Rapidgate fixed in Europe

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:19 am
by jlv
OrientExpress wrote:
Evoforce wrote:There are great 1:1 ICE replacement cars already being manufactured. For what most Americans want, Nissan refuses to produce that ICE replacement and charging infrastructure.
I'm intrigued, would you tell me which BEVs you believe are 1:1 replacements for ICEs?
I'd suggest bringing that discussion to another (more appropriate) thread.