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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:28 am

WetEV wrote:
spirilis wrote:TMS matters whether you like it or not.
My battery never gets warm enough for even a aggressive TMS to turn on.

Why should TMS matter to me?
It should not matter to you. Probably other features you have paid for and will never use. Do those bug you too? Part of a mass market vehicle is to appeal to the broadest market. LEAF is getting to be more of a niche vehicle to be used in a limited fashion and narrow demographic. The low production may cost you more (and Nissan) in the long run.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:16 am

smkettner wrote:
WetEV wrote:
spirilis wrote:TMS matters whether you like it or not.
My battery never gets warm enough for even a aggressive TMS to turn on.

Why should TMS matter to me?
It should not matter to you. Probably other features you have paid for and will never use. Do those bug you too? Part of a mass market vehicle is to appeal to the broadest market. LEAF is getting to be more of a niche vehicle to be used in a limited fashion and narrow demographic. The low production may cost you more (and Nissan) in the long run.
TMS does matter to a high end buyer. No question. But high end cars are not mass market, they might appeal, but will not meet the budget.

Tesla struggles to produce a $40k actual selling price car. Nissan has been making money selling a sub $30k actual selling price LEAF for years.

Sure, the LEAF can't do 0-60MPH in 3.2 seconds. Or drive from my house to New York, NY, and spend only 7 hours charging out of 54 hours of driving (according to ABRP).

A LEAF can and done very well at daily driving. Commuting to work. Shopping. Out to eat. Going to the beach. That's not a very limited niche.
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smkettner
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:21 am

No TMS about renders LEAF to 'second car' status. With a long range EV or gasoline vehicle available the LEAF is fine.
We can argue this all day long. The point is LEAF has additional limitations.

Acceleration and speed has nothing to do with this.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:00 pm

I can’t speak for hot climates, but the Leaf does better than many of the Tesla’s in the cold climates.

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/ ... &strip=all

Battery degradation is also slower up here in the north as we have few days over 90 degrees.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm

smkettner wrote:No TMS about renders LEAF to 'second car' status.
For you, perhaps. Not for everyone.

And for that matter, 57% of people have two car households.

smkettner wrote:Acceleration and speed has nothing to do with this.
Acceleration and speed add heat. Want high performance, need to get rid of that heat.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:32 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Battery degradation is also slower up here in the north as we have few days over 90 degrees.
So ambient heat still has an effect? Great for all those in the PNW and Coastal CA.
Best of luck Nissan.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:52 pm

smkettner wrote:LEAF is getting to be more of a niche vehicle to be used in a limited fashion and narrow demographic. The low production may cost you more (and Nissan) in the long run.
In other words a "golf cart". Agreed.

Too bad, I was happy with the new design. Sounds like they really want to kill the Leaf. Just banking on some stale slogans of "best selling EV".

Very similar with the fate of Prius. They made a name for it and then milked it until dry.

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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:08 pm

My wife and I took a 425 mile trip today.
The Tesla was charged overnight to 100% SoC so we left with about 315 miles of EPA range.
On long trips I set the cruise control to 70 mph. We arrived at our 7 kW EVSE destination with 33% SoC left.

We left something over an hour later with 44% SoC, and drove ~ 12 miles extra off our most efficient route to reach a Supercharger where we stayed long enough for my wife to take a short walk and for me to stretch, use a bathroom, and eat a sandwich --- about 15 minutes. We arrived home with 14% SoC.

This is in the New Mexico/ SWColorado area where EV charging lags most of the US by a considerable margin.

In short: no drama, no planning, just a pleasant day trip.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:28 pm

We left something over an hour later with 44% SoC, and drove ~ 12 miles extra off our most efficient route to reach a Supercharger where we stayed long enough for my wife to take a short walk and for me to stretch, use a bathroom, and eat a sandwich --- about 15 minutes. We arrived home with 14% SoC.

This is in the New Mexico/ SWColorado area where EV charging lags most of the US by a considerable margin.

In short: no drama, no planning, just a pleasant day trip.
To be fair, having 14% left would induce extreme range anxiety in lots of people - like my housemate, who drives a PHEV even though she never drives more than maybe 60 miles. The one time she used my 2013 Leaf to drive to work and home, she shut the heat off immediately after leaving here, got home with ~35% charge left, and considered it an unpleasant experience. Not because of no heat, but because she got so close to empty...
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:14 pm

LeftieBiker wrote: To be fair, having 14% left would induce extreme range anxiety in lots of people - like my housemate, who drives a PHEV even though she never drives more than maybe 60 miles. The one time she used my 2013 Leaf to drive to work and home, she shut the heat off immediately after leaving here, got home with ~35% charge left, and considered it an unpleasant experience. Not because of no heat, but because she got so close to empty...
I guess everyone's different and those who have more experience near the bottom and know their car have no issues. On my '13 Leaf, I leave to work with no lower than 25% SoC. It's about 12 miles to work (slightly more or less depending on the route). I know it takes maybe 12 to 18% to get there on a dry day so 25% is more than enough. So, I pass LBW, which is no problem. Even if I hit VLBW, no problem, I'm almost there and I have free charging there. The only possible detours involve cutting my highway driving to 0 from about half of the driving by time.

On rainy or wet cold days, I leave w/no less than 30%, just in case.

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