TexasLeaf
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No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:22 pm

Well, I couldn't take it any more :evil:. After having my 2018 Leaf SL with ProPilot for a little over a year, I traded it in on a 2019 Niro EV EX Premium with the Launch Edition package :D. My trip in the Leaf last December from Texas to Colorado back is what really drove me over the edge :o.

I had always planned to drive the Leaf on trips between Texas and Colorado but the trip last December showed that the 2018 Leaf just wasn't up to the task. I drove in December to mitigate issues with the battery overheating but the cold temperatures just killed the range of the Leaf requiring me to hypermill between many DCFC charging stops. I had to face the fact that I either had to quit using the Leaf for making the trips I bought it for or I had to get something else.

I drove my new Niro EV to Colorado and back a few weeks ago at the end of July. The Niro EV doesn't have a battery temperature gauge but it does have a chiller that uses the refrigeration system to cool the battery. Most of the time I was able to charge the Niro EV at 70+ kW and there was never any indication that the battery is getting hot.

The Niro EV has a system very similar to ProPilot, one of the features I liked best about the Leaf. The range of the Niro EV is incredible, much better than what is indicated by the EPA numbers. Because of the much greater range, I see many more trips as practical than I saw with the Leaf.

I can't say I really miss the Leaf. Everything about the 2019 Niro EV EX Premium seems better than the 2018 Leaf SL. I did get a really good deal on the Leaf and I wasn't happy about having to pay so much to get out of it.

I'm glad I had the Leaf if only for a year. If I had not ever had a Leaf I always would have wondered what they are like an now I at least feel a kinship with Leaf owners. For those that still have their Leafs and plan on holding on to them, I hope your Leafs meets your needs and give you many years of faithful service.

But don't expect to hear much from me from now on unless you visit the Niro EV forums. I have only had the Niro EV for a few months but so far I have been very happy with it. The Niro EV is the first EV I have had that really compares with a gas car on long trips and I expect to hang on to it for many years, just like I did with my best gas cars.
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Evoforce
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:00 pm

Good luck to you and many happy trails! :)
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

cwerdna
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:12 am

Cool. You're one of the few folks to have one. I don't think I've ever seen one in the wild.

I recall seeing impressive charge rates on an Ioniq EV (viewtopic.php?p=563079#p563079) at a DC FC I used. At the % SoC he was at, Bolt would've throttled down to much slower and never exceeds 55 kW on that particular DC FC anyway. (And nobody AFAIK has been able to make Bolt exceed 55 kW.)

Bolt also has no battery temp display UI anywhere.

Hopefully Nissan wisens up adds some sort of battery thermal management in the future.

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TexasLeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:14 am

Here is a link to the Niro EV charging curve, https://support.fastned.nl/hc/nl/articl ... ia-Niro-EV

and here is a link to the Bolt EV charging curve, https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/dc-fa ... nce.14002/.

Not only does the Niro EV have a faster peak charging speed but the charging speed on the Niro EV tappers later. The down side is that I have to pay the $/minute for 125 kW rate at the Electrify America stations where the Bolt EV owners only have to pay the 75 kW rate which is about a third of the 125 kW rate.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:38 am

While the 2019 Plus does much better than the 40 Leaf, I do wish Niros were available here.

My sister, who lives in Maryland has been having a difficult time finding one to even try.

Were you able to get much below MSRP from the dealer (not including fed/state/power credits)?
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danrjones
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:46 am

I wanted to look at the Niro EV but I couldn't ever find one. Right after i got my leaf, the greater La area and Palmdale dealers got like maybe 1 each. And I heard they were asking MSRP, so it would have been more than twice as much as I paid for the leaf.

Rumor is that the Niro is slated for a refresh on the body soon, maybe 2020 (?), so its one of the vehicles i plan to look at in a year or two to trade in my leaf. That and the Volvo XC40 EV. (Waiting for that to come out...) And truck EVs.

I had looked and the Kona and Niro (non EVs at the time, just to see the body) and I liked the Niro because it has more backseat room, even if that costs a bit of range for the EV, I thought it was worth it.

Exciting times we are moving in to!
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TexasLeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:49 am

Were you able to get much below MSRP from the dealer (not including fed/state/power credits)?
I got $1200 off of MSRP from the dealer, I got a $9100 credit on a 36 month lease from Kia and I got a 0.00199 money factor on the lease.
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danrjones
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:04 am

If you don't mind saying, what did the monthly lease cost come out to?
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SageBrush
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:49 am

How much did the LEAF experience cost you ?
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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iPlug
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:26 pm

Haven’t checked back in with dealers recently here in NorCal since they were first available a few months back, but dealers were asking above MSRP and probably getting it with very low inventory and rapid turnover then.
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