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Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:34 am

I own a 2011 LEAF with about 50,000 miles on it. The battery is quite diminished. System shows as 7 bars, but this does not seem accurate based on actual use. It takes forever to charge, and regen braking works very poorly now (battery just cant absorb current the way it used to). I have to be very careful and can only expect about 30 miles on a good day. The current condition of the battery is entirely my fault. I have been very hard on this car. For over a year it endured very deep discharges twice daily 5 days a week, many fast charges and a lot of WOT driving. I knew this would take its toll on the battery, but I am now looking at options to replace it. I love the car and have no intention of ever getting rid of it.

One option I'm exploring is buying a salvage vehicle with a young battery as a donor, provided the price is right.

What I need to know is what model years of LEAF have a battery that is fully compatible with my 2011 model? For example, can I R&R my battery with one from as late as a 2016?

TIA,

Steve in New Mexico

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:23 pm

You are right to not want a 2011 - 3/2013 pack. There is an adapter kit for the later 24kwh packs, but it seems to be hard to acquire. I'm sure you will get more good info on this here. You should know that it has been claimed here that new replacement packs are now 30kwh units, so there should be an adapter for those as well, if true.*

* I'd really appreciate a link to the topic in which this is claimed. I'm getting inquiries about it elsewhere.
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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:05 pm

These may help:
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=567474#p567474
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=567482#p567482

I too am curious about the claim that Leftie mentions. Would want some proof of that.

A 7 bar car should have more than 30 miles of range unless driven like a maniac. OP would be served by using Leaf Spy since the GOM sucks and the '11 and '12 Leafs don't have a % state of charge display. Instrumentation in pre-'13 Leafs causes unnecessary range anxiety.

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:41 pm

Thanks for the recommendation to use Leafspy. I'll acquire this right away.

I've read elsewhere on this site that a company in Quebec is installing 40 kWhr packs in older LEAFs like mine but they need to add an intermediary BMS device to "translate" the new readings to the car's original software. If I can get this device and install it myself, I'll start looking for a salvage LEAF with a fresh 40 kWhr battery.

I'm sure it's here on this site somewhere, but can someone provide a list showing the LEAF's battery progression by model year? What years had the 24 kWhr, the 40 kWhr and the newest 62 kWhr?

Much thanks!

Steve

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:51 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:05 pm
These may help:
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=567474#p567474
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=567482#p567482

I too am curious about the claim that Leftie mentions. Would want some proof of that.

A 7 bar car should have more than 30 miles of range unless driven like a maniac. OP would be served by using Leaf Spy since the GOM sucks and the '11 and '12 Leafs don't have a % state of charge display. Instrumentation in pre-'13 Leafs causes unnecessary range anxiety.

Thanks, but those aren't it. Someone claimed to have had a new pack installed recently, and that it was a 30kwh pack because they haven't made the 24kwh for several years now. It was either a separate topic or came at the end of an existing topic.
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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:00 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:51 pm
Thanks, but those aren't it. Someone claimed to have had a new pack installed recently, and that it was a 30kwh pack because they haven't made the 24kwh for several years now. It was either a separate topic or came at the end of an existing topic.
Yes. I also recall seeing some claims along those lines of what you said but (off the top of my head) I also don't know where the post is.

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:01 pm

zialeaf wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:41 pm
I'm sure it's here on this site somewhere, but can someone provide a list showing the LEAF's battery progression by model year? What years had the 24 kWhr, the 40 kWhr and the newest 62 kWhr?
These are US model years not production years.
'11 to '15, '16 S: 24 kWh
'16 SV and SL, '16 "S 30" from near the end of the '16 model year (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... gher-price): 30 kWh
All '17: 30 kWh
'18 and '19: 40 kWh
'19 Leaf Plus: 62 kWh

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:41 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:01 pm
zialeaf wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:41 pm
I'm sure it's here on this site somewhere, but can someone provide a list showing the LEAF's battery progression by model year? What years had the 24 kWhr, the 40 kWhr and the newest 62 kWhr?
These are US model years not production years.
'11 to '15, '16 S: 24 kWh
'16 SV and SL, '16 "S 30" from near the end of the '16 model year (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... gher-price): 30 kWh
All '17: 30 kWh
'18 and '19: 40 kWh
'19 Leaf Plus: 62 kWh

Just a reminder: you do NOT want a used pack made before April of 2013. You may even want to play it safe and get one made after April of 2013, as there may be one or three April builds out there with the old, poor, battery chemistry. If you can verify no more than one capacity bar lost, though, April is ok.
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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:36 pm

I see lots of 2011 and 2012 packs. Yeah you don't want those.
Seems 2015 batteries available on a fairly regular basis now.
40kwh batteries are very hard to find, I have only seen 1 and it was more than what I paid for my leaf.
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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:51 am

zialeaf wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:34 am
I own a 2011 LEAF with about 50,000 miles on it. The battery is quite diminished. System shows as 7 bars, but this does not seem accurate based on actual use. It takes forever to charge, and regen braking works very poorly now (battery just cant absorb current the way it used to). I have to be very careful and can only expect about 30 miles on a good day. The current condition of the battery is entirely my fault. I have been very hard on this car. For over a year it endured very deep discharges twice daily 5 days a week, many fast charges and a lot of WOT driving. I knew this would take its toll on the battery, but I am now looking at options to replace it. I love the car and have no intention of ever getting rid of it.
Wow, I’m surprised you didn’t qualify for a factory replacement battery at the 5-year mark.

Additional odd datapoint: my 2012 SL gets 35 miles from 100% to LBW. No abusive driving (I’m 73, come on), 80% charges for most of its early years, only 4 QC’s and the rest all L2 at home, and a current odometer reading of 13,522 total miles. But wait, there’s more. I have 9 capacity bars showing. Total crapfest for a $40k vehicle.
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