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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:37 am

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:01 pm
zialeaf wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:41 pm
I'm sure it's here on this site somewhere, but can someone provide a list showing the LEAF's battery progression by model year? What years had the 24 kWhr, the 40 kWhr and the newest 62 kWhr?
These are US model years not production years.
'11 to '15, '16 S: 24 kWh
'16 SV and SL, '16 "S 30" from near the end of the '16 model year (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... gher-price): 30 kWh
All '17: 30 kWh
'18 and '19: 40 kWh
'19 Leaf Plus: 62 kWh
Good point on the distinction between US model years and production years!

Much thanks for this list. Key to shopping for a salvaged LEAF and/or used battery.

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:38 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:41 pm
cwerdna wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:01 pm
zialeaf wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:41 pm
I'm sure it's here on this site somewhere, but can someone provide a list showing the LEAF's battery progression by model year? What years had the 24 kWhr, the 40 kWhr and the newest 62 kWhr?
These are US model years not production years.
'11 to '15, '16 S: 24 kWh
'16 SV and SL, '16 "S 30" from near the end of the '16 model year (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... gher-price): 30 kWh
All '17: 30 kWh
'18 and '19: 40 kWh
'19 Leaf Plus: 62 kWh

Just a reminder: you do NOT want a used pack made before April of 2013. You may even want to play it safe and get one made after April of 2013, as there may be one or three April builds out there with the old, poor, battery chemistry. If you can verify no more than one capacity bar lost, though, April is ok.
This is very good to know. Much thanks!

Steve

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:19 am

SalisburySam wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:51 am
zialeaf wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:34 am
I own a 2011 LEAF with about 50,000 miles on it. The battery is quite diminished. System shows as 7 bars, but this does not seem accurate based on actual use. It takes forever to charge, and regen braking works very poorly now (battery just cant absorb current the way it used to). I have to be very careful and can only expect about 30 miles on a good day. The current condition of the battery is entirely my fault. I have been very hard on this car. For over a year it endured very deep discharges twice daily 5 days a week, many fast charges and a lot of WOT driving. I knew this would take its toll on the battery, but I am now looking at options to replace it. I love the car and have no intention of ever getting rid of it.
Wow, I’m surprised you didn’t qualify for a factory replacement battery at the 5-year mark.

Additional odd datapoint: my 2012 SL gets 35 miles from 100% to LBW. No abusive driving (I’m 73, come on), 80% charges for most of its early years, only 4 QC’s and the rest all L2 at home, and a current odometer reading of 13,522 total miles. But wait, there’s more. I have 9 capacity bars showing. Total crapfest for a $40k vehicle.
I tried, but Nissan held to their requirement for 6 capacity bars to be eligible for a warranty battery replacement.

This is actually my second LEAF. I was one of the first to get the LEAF when my wife and I lived in Seattle. We then moved to the Bay Area and had to rent for a year and had nowhere to park and charge the LEAF, so I sold it. Then we bought a house that could accommodate owning a LEAF again, so I bought a second one. I wonder if I told Nissan of my early adoption and advocacy for this car if they would sell me a new battery for less than the ridiculous sums they are now demanding. I remember quite clearly when we bought our first LEAF that Nissan was consistent in promising that a new battery at year 7 would cost $5500.

Sound like we are in the same boat. Under all but the most mild driving and optimal weather conditions, I can't expect anything more than 30 miles. That's doing regen braking at every opportunity and keeping it in "eco" mode. Yet the car shows 7 battery capacity bars!

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:34 am

I tried, but Nissan held to their requirement for 6 capacity bars to be eligible for a warranty battery replacement.

I hope that you mean "8 capacity bars."
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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:12 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:34 am
I tried, but Nissan held to their requirement for 6 capacity bars to be eligible for a warranty battery replacement.

I hope that you mean "8 capacity bars."
My discussions with Nissan at the time were that replacing the entire battery under warranty required that it be at 6 bars or lower within the first 5 years from the date of manufacture.

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:03 am

zialeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:12 am
My discussions with Nissan at the time were that replacing the entire battery under warranty required that it be at 6 bars or lower within the first 5 years from the date of manufacture.
Wrong! It needs to be 8 bars or less within 5 years/60K on 24 kWh Leafs: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13192. Doesn't matter now since you're out of warranty, unless there's documented proof at a Nissan dealer or Nissan corporate themselves that you hit 8 bars in time.

Manuals for '13 to '16 Leafs have the above verbiage and conditions in their warranty booklets. For 30+ kWh Leafs, the capacity warranty is for 8 years/100K miles and their warranty booklets mention this.

It is also NOT based upon manufacture date. It is based upon original in-service date.

Yes, $5499 was at viewtopic.php?t=17168 but the price quietly got raised a few years ago. :(

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:14 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:03 am
zialeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:12 am
My discussions with Nissan at the time were that replacing the entire battery under warranty required that it be at 6 bars or lower within the first 5 years from the date of manufacture.
Wrong! It needs to be 8 bars or less within 5 years/60K on 24 kWh Leafs: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13192. Doesn't matter now since you're out of warranty, unless there's documented proof at a Nissan dealer or Nissan corporate themselves that you hit 8 bars in time.

Manuals for '13 to '16 Leafs have the above verbiage and conditions in their warranty booklets. For 30+ kWh Leafs, the capacity warranty is for 8 years/100K miles and their warranty booklets mention this.

It is also NOT based upon manufacture date. It is based upon original in-service date.

Yes, $5499 was at viewtopic.php?t=17168 but the price quietly got raised a few years ago. :(
That's very discouraging to hear. I had at least a couple of conversations with Nissan in mid-2016, a month or so before the 5 years was up on my car, and I am quite sure they were telling me that my car would only be eligible for a warranty battery replacement if my capacity meter was at 6 bars or less. I went back in my emails (not with Nissan, unfortunately) to find other communications that mentioned this situation to verify these details and was able to confirm them. So, Nissan was either lying to me or the folks I talked to were incompetent.

Yeah, not happy that Nissan is asking $7K or so for a replacement battery.

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:50 pm

If you can confirm that your car dropped to 8 bars while under the 5 yr/60k mile capacity warranty, and if you have a service receipt from the same period, then you have a strong case. If not, I suggest BBB arbitration - that has worked in the past. If Nissan told you 6 bars, they were flat out lying.
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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:05 pm

zialeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:14 pm
That's very discouraging to hear. I had at least a couple of conversations with Nissan in mid-2016, a month or so before the 5 years was up on my car, and I am quite sure they were telling me that my car would only be eligible for a warranty battery replacement if my capacity meter was at 6 bars or less. I went back in my emails (not with Nissan, unfortunately) to find other communications that mentioned this situation to verify these details and was able to confirm them. So, Nissan was either lying to me or the folks I talked to were incompetent.
When you say "Nissan" in this context, are you talking about the EV help line or someone at Nissan corporate or a Nissan dealer?

In many (most?) parts of the US, automakers can't own dealers due to state franchise laws. So "Nissan" in the context of dealer critter is just that, a dealer critter. Google for tesla franchise laws.

It would be even better if you had one of the useless to the customer battery reports showing 8 bars if taken before your capacity warranty expired.

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Re: Production years battery compatibility with 2011 model

Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:59 pm

Oh crap. I must apologize. I've been talking about just the white bars, not the total including the two red bars below the white bars. So, based on this realization, my car's capacity gauge was 9 bars in mid 2016, because it had (and still does) have 7 white bars and 2 red bars for 9 total. That's why I was saying Nissan was telling me 6 bars was needed for warranty replacement: 6 WHITE bars, that is.

That said, the real world range then and now is really poor. Under optimal conditions, the guess-oh-meter never goes about 55 miles or so when the car is fully charged, and this figure will drop precipitously if there is any hill climbing or anything beyond 95 year old granny on Sunday type driving. The real world driving range is around 25 miles, at which point the guess-oh-meter will be in single digits with the "low battery" warning imminent. And regen braking/deceleration is never goes above 2 dots on the energy meter, usually only 1 dot towards the charging side of the meter.

There is clearly something compromised with this battery!

I just bought the OBD bluetooth dongle widget and will download leafspy and run it on my Google Nexus phone to get more insight as to what's going on with this battery. Maybe I have a marginal cell or two that's holding the rest of the capacity hostage.

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