The 62kWh Battery Topic

[GerryAZ]

My statistics have been stable for the last few charges instead of slight AHr, SOH, and Hx drops each charge (probably due to cooler temperatures). As of last night: AHr=165.97, SOH=94.09%, Hx=100.23%, V=329.44, QC=8, L1/L2=166, GIDs=53, and ODO=24,367. Battery temperatures were 69.8, 71.6, and 72.5 F last night and 67.3, 69.4, and 69.4 F this morning. This morning after charging V=402.71 and GIDs=704. The next 3-month update should be about January 20th.

[DougWantsALeaf]

Thats great. Glad the battery is doing well.


What does the board think about the raft of 200-250ish mile EVs now in market with 65-75 kWh batteries? (Mach-E, ID4, Volvo Recharge, Etc..) Do you think it's enough for the US market. I know now that we have moved to 200ish mile evs, we don't talk about range anymore in the household, and conversation has now moved to seating, comfort, etc.. in terms of our next EV. ...but we are not a typical household having an ev for the last 8 years.

Is 300 still the needed bar, or is 200 enough? I am of the mind that 200ish might be enough.

[dmacarthur]

Thats great. Glad the battery is doing well.


What does the board think about the raft of 200-250ish mile EVs now in market with 65-75 kWh batteries? (Mach-E, ID4, Volvo Recharge, Etc..) Do you think it's enough for the US market. I know now that we have moved to 200ish mile evs, we don't talk about range anymore in the household, and conversation has now moved to seating, comfort, etc.. in terms of our next EV. ...but we are not a typical household having an ev for the last 8 years.

Is 300 still the needed bar, or is 200 enough? I am of the mind that 200ish might be enough.

I am in agreement that 200ish is plenty for MOST of what we will do- however, this is after 9 months of lockdown and after having moved up to a Plus from a 2015 which definitely was inadequate..... Hard to remember what it felt like to jump in a cfar a drive for 6 hours with one quick stop for gas.....

[GerryAZ]

I think 200ish is adequate to entice households with more than one vehicle to use an EV for one of their vehicles. For households to be comfortable with an EV as an only vehicle (or multiple vehicles all EV), then it probably takes 300 miles or more range (even though they probably don't actually need it). Personally, I would not want to depend upon the SL Plus as my only vehicle because I need something to tow trailers and handle off-road conditions. I also like my motorcycles for recreational riding and long trips.

[GRA]

In the Castrol survey I've linked elsewhere, on what it would take for BEVs to be mainstream, for the U. S. the average range requirement was 517 km (321 mi.), and you can bet that's assuming ICE-like infrastructure and capabilities, i.e. no reductions for degradation, heat use, charging to 80 rather than 100%, charging stations ubiquitous and fast, etc.

[WetEV]

In the Castrol survey I've linked elsewhere, on what it would take for BEVs to be mainstream, for the U. S. the average range requirement was 517 km (321 mi.), and you can bet that's assuming ICE-like infrastructure and capabilities, i.e. no reductions for degradation, heat use, charging to 80 rather than 100%, charging stations ubiquitous and fast, etc.

Studies asking ICE drivers what they need from an EV is like asking 9 year old boys about sex.

There might be some real information in some of the answers.

Don't count on much.

Even then, the world is changing. With more people working from home, driving patterns are going to change. I can't even guess if that helps or hurts EV adoption long term.

[GRA]

In the Castrol survey I've linked elsewhere, on what it would take for BEVs to be mainstream, for the U. S. the average range requirement was 517 km (321 mi.), and you can bet that's assuming ICE-like infrastructure and capabilities, i.e. no reductions for degradation, heat use, charging to 80 rather than 100%, charging stations ubiquitous and fast, etc.

Studies asking ICE drivers what they need from an EV is like asking 9 year old boys about sex.

There might be some real information in some of the answers.

Don't count on much.

Even then, the world is changing. With more people working from home, driving patterns are going to change. I can't even guess if that helps or hurts EV adoption long term.

Asking ICE drivers what it would take for them to switch is exactly who needs to be asked, as early adopters, who have different priorities (and higher incomes that allow them to indulge those priorities), will always be a minority. They want a BEV to give the same operational capabilities (or nearly so) as their ICEs provide, or they see no reason to switch. They don't care about ideology, only capability at an affordable price.

In addition to less range, they are willing to accept longer "refueling" times, an average of 31 minutes worldwide (U.S. 30) but that's charging to 100%, not 80%.

[WetEV]

Studies asking ICE drivers what they need from an EV is like asking 9 year old boys about sex.

There might be some real information in some of the answers.

Don't count on much.

Asking ICE drivers what it would take for them to switch is exactly who needs to be asked, as early adopters, who have different priorities (and higher incomes that allow them to indulge those priorities), will always be a minority. They want a BEV to give the same operational capabilities (or nearly so) as their ICEs provide, or they see no reason to switch. They don't care about ideology, only capability at an affordable price.

In addition to less range, they are willing to accept longer "refueling" times, an average of 31 minutes worldwide (U.S. 30) but that's charging to 100%, not 80%.

People that don't know can't give an answer that is meaningful.

BEVs have advantages over their ICEs that they really can't know anything about. You are asking them to compare a sketch of a BEV with all they know about ICE cars.

Now, there might be some real information in some of the answers. But you can't take the whole answer as factual, as it isn't.

Two decades from now, the once 9 year old boys might know more about sex. And the ICE drivers are likely to be driving BEVs.

Still, answers are likely to not be completely factual. Even then.

[DaveinOlyWA]

Studies asking ICE drivers what they need from an EV is like asking 9 year old boys about sex.

There might be some real information in some of the answers.

Don't count on much.

Asking ICE drivers what it would take for them to switch is exactly who needs to be asked, as early adopters, who have different priorities (and higher incomes that allow them to indulge those priorities), will always be a minority. They want a BEV to give the same operational capabilities (or nearly so) as their ICEs provide, or they see no reason to switch. They don't care about ideology, only capability at an affordable price.

In addition to less range, they are willing to accept longer "refueling" times, an average of 31 minutes worldwide (U.S. 30) but that's charging to 100%, not 80%.

People that don't know can't give an answer that is meaningful.

BEVs have advantages over their ICEs that they really can't know anything about. You are asking them to compare a sketch of a BEV with all they know about ICE cars.

Now, there might be some real information in some of the answers. But you can't take the whole answer as factual, as it isn't.

Two decades from now, the once 9 year old boys might know more about sex. And the ICE drivers are likely to be driving BEVs.

Still, answers are likely to not be completely factual. Even then.

Have to agree at least partially. To move from the familiar to the unfamiliar, the standards have to be near perfect; which isn't possible. But that is how we roll. We'd rather suffer the pain we know than learn a new way. It is by word of mouth from friends and family that eventually "talk us off the ledge" which brings our requirements to reasonable levels.

A more telling poll is how many try EVs and then go back to gassers. Remove the ones relocating and ones changing jobs and the rate drops to near zero.

So no, the polls won't ever be as effective as your neighbor or your sibling.

[LeftieBiker]

A more telling poll is how many try EVs and then go back to gassers. Remove the ones relocating and ones changing jobs and the rate drops to near zero.

I think there are a significant number of people who either get lied to about range, or who drive 80MPH and then give up the EV because it won't go far enough at that speed.