coleafrado
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First-generation Estonian LEAF taxi with >210,000 miles on original pack

Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:02 am

This car has over 338,000 kilometers on the odometer, more than 69% SoH, and nearly 7,000 quick charges (and only about 1300 L1/L2). Estonia's refrigerator-like temperatures likely explain most of this car's longevity - if you need an anecdote showing how high temperature (not quick charging) wears out lithium-ion batteries, here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjJh4nJ3I44

Makes me wonder how much longer a modern Tesla pack would last if its TMS target was set just above freezing (40° F / 5° C) rather than room temperature (75° F / 25° C).

arnis
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Re: First-generation Estonian LEAF taxi with >210,000 miles on original pack

Thu May 14, 2020 11:40 am

Well.. rapid charging still beats it more than slow charging (it still heats up somewhat).
I'm at 100 000 miles here in Estonia and my battery is 90%.
So I might get 80% at 200 000 miles, but I need 6 more years for that :lol:

Tesla chemistry (NMC) is very incapable at 5*C. Almost no charging/regen.
Leaf chemistry loves cold temperatures... it rapid charges well at 15*C.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: First-generation Estonian LEAF taxi with >210,000 miles on original pack

Thu May 14, 2020 3:39 pm

Arnis

Are there many Leafs in the street in Estonia?
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
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Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

arnis
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Re: First-generation Estonian LEAF taxi with >210,000 miles on original pack

Fri May 15, 2020 2:33 pm

Around 500. Not a lot of EVs here, though there are like 700 000 cars in total :)
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coleafrado
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Re: First-generation Estonian LEAF taxi with >210,000 miles on original pack

Sat May 16, 2020 3:59 pm

arnis wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 11:40 am
I'm at 100 000 miles here in Estonia and my battery is 90%.

Leaf chemistry loves cold temperatures... it rapid charges well at 15*C.
OMG congrats!

webeleafowners
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Re: First-generation Estonian LEAF taxi with >210,000 miles on original pack

Sat May 16, 2020 6:20 pm

arnis wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 11:40 am
Well.. rapid charging still beats it more than slow charging (it still heats up somewhat).
I'm at 100 000 miles here in Estonia and my battery is 90%.
So I might get 80% at 200 000 miles, but I need 6 more years for that :lol:

Tesla chemistry (NMC) is very incapable at 5*C. Almost no charging/regen.
Leaf chemistry loves cold temperatures... it rapid charges well at 15*C.
Very interesting. Thank you for the report. Estonia is on our "visit list". Some summer when things get close to being back to normal. :)
2020 Model 3 Tesla. AWD with FSD. Deep metallic blue. Our daily driver.
2016 Nissan Leaf SV 30KWh Culis Red. Sold. Was my daily driver. Loved that car.
EV only Family...well except for the big diesel motorhome. :shock:

arnis
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Re: First-generation Estonian LEAF taxi with >210,000 miles on original pack

Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:47 am

Wohoo. Summer came earlier and BMS started dropping SOC and Hx values earlier this year.
Lost first bar today at 173 166 km or 107 600 miles Vehicle is exactly 6 years old :)
I hope for first place price :D :D :D

Likely SOC will go up in late autumn as always. I should mention that actual range did not drop
15% like SOC says. i would say closer to 10% of range loss.
Drop happened at 84,65% SOH and 80.01% Hx.
Vehicle was pretty much always charged to 80%, except very cold weather.
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