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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:29 am

JasonT wrote:I very strongly feel that this is a bad path to go down, and shouldn't be done.

Since the Volt can run without someone putting in any gas at all, I don't see why they should be excluded.
Absolutely. Since the whole idea is to reduce oil consumption - Volt serves a purpose.

That is why it is such a shame that both GM and thier fanboys at gm-volt.com are spending more time spreading FUD about LEAF than talk about Volt.
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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:49 am

Sure, GM is trying to call the Volt an EREV rather than a PHEV. Perhaps that is partially because they want the "EV" image (even though their "40-miles" is probably some sort of "optimistic" mileage, maybe only 20 real-miles). But, perhaps they also want to get into the "EV only" parking.

Well, good arguments, but no charging for a "pure" EV can mean not getting home.

No charging for a EREV just means saving some (for the Volt, very little) gasoline.

So, EVs should at least have priority over any "Gas-Suckers".
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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:55 am

JasonT wrote:
garygid wrote:Since a hybrid, like the Volt, will never "need" to charge in public, and Pure EVs depend on it, perhaps the signs should say "Pure EVs ONLY, NO Hybrids".

There is no good reason to make the very limited public charging facilities available to hybrids.
I very strongly feel that this is a bad path to go down, and shouldn't be done.
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We really need to all "get along".
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Will there be growing pains? Certainly. ... But the solution is not to try to further sub-divide the market making an "us vs them". The solution is to push for more charging stations, to encourage retailers the value of attracting plug-in users to their stores.
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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:59 am

I am absolutely laughing about people who think that the Volt is an electric car. Ok, if it is truly an electric car, then don't put gas in it. With 40 miles range (best case) most people will not be able to use it as a pure electric vehicle. I speak of the general public in these terms. I have driven S-10E's that had 40 miles range on a good day and we lived with them just perfectly.

I am not meaning to be mean in anyway but if I do see a Volt charging and I NEED a charge to get going again then I will unplug the Volt and charge my Leaf. This will be in circumstances were I did not plan on a charger being out of service and have to move on to another charger. Good EV drivers should preplan their routes based on public charging anyway. With this kind of range we should not be relying on public charging to begin with; it is a convenience thing.

As far as someone commenting on cars getting keyed, that is just childish. If I catch someone damaging a car in that manner they happen to learn quickly what destruction of private property is from a law enforcement perspective.

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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:44 am

Trouble is, vandalism is so quick and easy to do, difficult to catch, and very expensive to repair! So, I hate to give anybody a reason (like unplugging their Volt) to feel bad. Also, you might already suspect that the Volt owner (charging) thinks that he has a right to park and charge there.

Often, just the parking space arrangement will make it impossible for a "next" car to charge, or even park, awaiting a kind "swap over".

Then, is it an EV charging space, or an EV parking space? Who can tell if the "parked" EV is "awaiting charging" or just using close-in parking?

Perhaps, in planning for EV charging, they should provide two or three EV parking spaces for each Level 2 "charger" (EVSE). In that way, the EVSE could be more easily shared.

However, if one has to pay in some way (swipe a card, etc.) to start charging, the owner will need to actually be there to begin charging his own car.

There is much that needs to be worked out for "sharing".
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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:05 am

garygid wrote:There is much that needs to be worked out for "sharing".
True. If you listen to the discussions PSRC ev project guys are having about this (and related matters), it is even more complicated. For eg. PSRC wants to have some regulation regarding parking places for disabled. Then there are landlords who asking for great flexibility to maximize the revenue out of parking etc.

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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:16 pm

garygid wrote:Trouble is, vandalism is so quick and easy to do, difficult to catch, and very expensive to repair! So, I hate to give anybody a reason (like unplugging their Volt) to feel bad. Also, you might already suspect that the Volt owner (charging) thinks that he has a right to park and charge there.

Often, just the parking space arrangement will make it impossible for a "next" car to charge, or even park, awaiting a kind "swap over".

Then, is it an EV charging space, or an EV parking space? Who can tell if the "parked" EV is "awaiting charging" or just using close-in parking?

Perhaps, in planning for EV charging, they should provide two or three EV parking spaces for each Level 2 "charger" (EVSE). In that way, the EVSE could be more easily shared.

However, if one has to pay in some way (swipe a card, etc.) to start charging, the owner will need to actually be there to begin charging his own car.

There is much that needs to be worked out for "sharing".


THis is why my frame will be hooked to the HV hot lead, insulated by the paint but the first key scratch will be the last! Kidding of course. I won't bag on the Volt but it bugs me when they call it an EV.

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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:20 pm

Great- every plug in Prius should be allowed as well next. I think the push should be for pure EVs first. Can't wait for the plug in Suburban taking the space as well.

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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:34 pm

For what its worth, the person from Ecotality said that all public charge stations that are part of the EV Project will have at least two chargers. Maybe this will help, initially, with not having to what for a charge.
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Re: Public charging station protocol

Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:54 pm

Two parking spaces, one "pedestal", with two charge "points". Yes, a good start, much better than one parking spot.
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