xTKMxCaboose
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Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:10 pm

How much do you usually drive a day and how much has your electric bill cost just for the leaf? I want to hear what the owners have experienced.

GaslessInSeattle
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Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:29 pm

Our bill is about $30+ for 1200 miles... at 9 cents a kW it comes out to about 2.2 cents a mile. I figure I'm spending about 1/10 per mile to drive this car than our previous! The only type of car I know of that stands to pay for itself in it's lifetime in gas savings.
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pjoseph
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Leaf Number: 1186
Location: Austin, Tx

Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:35 pm

$0.11 per kWh (current Austin Energy rates, ~23% increase (Texas-sized inflation) looming on the horizon)
4 miles/kWh (from dashboard)
100 miles per day would be $2.75
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xTKMxCaboose
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Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:36 pm

GaslessInSeattle wrote:Our bill is about $30+ for 1200 miles... at 9 cents a kW it comes out to about 2.2 cents a mile. I figure I'm spending about 1/10 per mile to drive this car than our previous! The only type of car I know of that stands to pay for itself in it's lifetime in gas savings.
thanks for the info I was expecting it to be like a lot more than that, that's pretty cheap for the cost of gas.

adric22
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Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:40 pm

I drive about 10 miles per day, more on the weekends, and I haven't seen any measurable difference in my electric bill.
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Reddy
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Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:50 pm

adric22 wrote:I drive about 10 miles per day, more on the weekends, and I haven't seen any measurable difference in my electric bill.
No difference in my bill. I drive about 500 miles per month. At $0.05/kwh, what is that, $5-$10? :lol:

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GaslessInSeattle
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Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:40 pm

xTKMxCaboose wrote:
GaslessInSeattle wrote:Our bill is about $30+ for 1200 miles... at 9 cents a kW it comes out to about 2.2 cents a mile. I figure I'm spending about 1/10 per mile to drive this car than our previous! The only type of car I know of that stands to pay for itself in it's lifetime in gas savings.
thanks for the info I was expecting it to be like a lot more than that, that's pretty cheap for the cost of gas.
Electric motors are very efficient compared to internal combustion engines. Even still, I'm sure I'm not the only one who was surprised at just how cheap they are to drive! Spread the word!!!
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klapauzius
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Leaf Number: 0197
Location: Seattle, Wa

Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:50 pm

We had ~ 5000 miles this year since January, at ~ 3 miles/kWH and $0.046 (Thanks to PV, I pay mostly the lower-tier rates for Seattle City Light) this will be ~ $77.

cwerdna
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Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:56 pm

xTKMxCaboose wrote: thanks for the info I was expecting it to be like a lot more than that, that's pretty cheap for the cost of gas.
Your original question isn't very useful, esp. w/o any context as to your electricity rates, location, rate schedule, tiers and your usage vs. those tiers. There's a HUGE variance in electricity costs by state. See http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/inde ... ing_prices" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/fig7p5.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

See some of the links at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 08#p155508" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and the reply the followed.

It also depends on whether you choose to break out the marginal costs of adding a Leaf or some other electrical device vs. lumping it into your total average cost. I suppose one could argue that once it's part of your household, it's not longer countable as marginal?

For example, from http://www.seattle.gov/light/accounts/r ... an_rsc.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, if you lived in Seattle, the most it could add to your bill is 9.56 cents/kwh. If you lived in PG&E land (like me) and let's say you were already at tier 4, each kwh would be ~33.3 cents (almost 2.5x the cost)! Electricity in the cheapest tier on the E-1 schedule (non-time of used based) is ~12.2 cents/kwh.

To give a better example, gas at a cheap station near me right now is $3.35/gal. My lifetime avg on my 06 Prius is ~45 mpg. My cost per mile for fuel only would be ~7.44 cents/mile.

If I got 3.16 miles/kwh efficiency, as measured from the plug (including charging efficiency losses), at 9.56 cents/kwh, the cost would be ~3 cents/mile. If the rate were 33.276 cents/kwh, the cost would be ~10.5 cents/mile.

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electricfuture
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Re: Electric bill cost for the leaf?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:52 pm

I am driving about 1200 miles a month costing $40-45 per month based on the 12-5 AM "special" rate of $.14 per KWH on a separate meter here in San Diego. It would be much worse if I was on the house meter with the "tiered" rate schedule.

Rates are lower than mine in most of the lower 48 states especially with government operated utilities like BPA coming in around $0.04 per KWH anytime day or night rate.

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