GaslessInSeattle
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Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA State

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:23 pm

I read back in July that the electric highway would be in place by November 30 in WA state. Since I had not heard an update I decided to do a little calling around to find out how things were going. Today I spoke with Deborah Rapoport, for AeroVironment who said that there had been some delays but that things were still moving forward but she couldn’t really go into detail. I called around some more and got ahold of Tonia Buell, of WSDOT Communications who filled in some details. Tonia told me that there were delays with securing lease agreements with some of the locations and that they were still ongoing, it was expected that they would get worked through soon. She said of the 9 planned stations, 4 had signed lease agreements and were expected to begin installation by the end of this month and should be available for use by the end of the year. So, that’s the latest info I could find, looks like the DCQC network is on the verge of becoming a reality, which is very good news, especially with the cold, whet whether coming!
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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:32 pm

Thanks for doing this! I've been curious about how this project was going, but not curious enough to pick up the phone and start calling people! :)
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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:57 pm

That's great news. Thanks for sharing. I was beginning to believe that the installation of QC's along I-5 were just another victim of the recession.
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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:59 pm

GaslessInSeattle wrote:.....................looks like the DCQC network is on the verge of becoming a reality, which is very good news, especially with the cold, whet whether coming!
Amen, brother!

My little mid-morning travels today (rain, mid 30's F) convinced me that I'll have to pay much more attention to trip planning for the next several months.

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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:29 pm

Now if we could just figure out what happened in CA.
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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:42 pm

Hope it actually happens - its been a big tease till now.
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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:41 pm

1. QC info: In San Diego, we have a problem with utility demand charges to anyone who installs a QC unit that might be obscene. For example, if you exceed the upper limit of your allowed kilowatts, then the utility will assess a $20 per kilowatt charge! Since the QC units can put out 50kW, the demand charge can be up to $1000!!! If I was a host business considering whether to install a QC unit for my customers, I would have to make sure that that charge is never assessed. I wonder if the same applies to the Northwest. If so, that might impede the deployment of the QC units. My brother-in-law works for Seattle City Light. I'll have to ask him.


2 Driving in the rain: Have any of you Northwesterners figured out how much additional drag if any that rain causes? I am in San Diego and drove my Leaf in a Seattle-like downpour last weekend and got to wondering if there is additional drag that we might need to factor in our range estimates.
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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:19 pm

gmuzhik wrote:1. QC info: In San Diego, we have a problem with utility demand charges to anyone who installs a QC unit that might be obscene. For example, if you exceed the upper limit of your allowed kilowatts, then the utility will assess a $20 per kilowatt charge! Since the QC units can put out 50kW, the demand charge can be up to $1000!!!
There are actually several charges, and the actual cost to run a stand alone 50kW load for 15 minutes per month in San Diego is a multiple several TIMES $1000 per month (source: SDGE). The limit to trigger a charge is 20kW or above for any 15 minutes period (for commercial electricity).

gmuzhik wrote: Driving in the rain: Have any of you Northwesterners figured out how much additional drag if any that rain causes? I am in San Diego and drove my Leaf in a Seattle-like downpour last weekend and got to wondering if there is additional drag that we might need to factor in our range estimates.

In aircraft, there are no reductions for aerodynamic losses with precipitation while airborne or on the ground, but significant losses for runway performance (the wheels dragging through the muck). A properly drained highway, with no standing "contamination" (snow, slush, standing water, hail, etc) will have virtually no measurable road drag with proper tires (worn out, bald tires might be quite different).

Any range losses in the LEAF in rain would most likely be the heater use or the impact of colder than normal temps on the batteries. Or possibly windy conditions, and you're driving into a headwind. Losses that aircraft incur in bad weather are generally associated with de-ice and anti-ice efforts, which extract "bleed" air that has be heated and pressured by the turbine engines.

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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:27 am

TonyWilliams wrote:A properly drained highway, with no standing "contamination" (snow, slush, standing water, hail, etc) will have virtually no measurable road drag with proper tires (worn out, bald tires might be quite different).
It really depends on how much water is on the road. In previous vehicles I have seen 10-20% reduction in fuel economy when it's raining even with brand new tires. I would expect similar in the LEAF. All this extra drag is from rolling resistance - water on the road really increases it.

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Re: Update On DCQC/The Electric Highway Along I-5 in WA Sta

Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:33 am

drees wrote:It really depends on how much water is on the road.
I did specify that !! I agree.

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