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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:21 pm

Here's a cut-away drawing:

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Here's it's Inverter and Control electronics. It can produce any single-phase or 3-phase frequency/voltage (even DC), from 0 to 500v, and can also connect directly to the grid for grid-sell operation.

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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:33 pm

Here is the one Phil is talking about I believe. About 250 pounds with the inverter... And they are right down the street from me.

http://www.microturbine.com/_docs/CAP11 ... der_LR.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mitch672 wrote:Here is the PDF for that Capstone C30, 400-480VAC output, looks pretty big.
30" x 60" x 70", #891 (ouch)
http://www.microturbine.com/_docs/datas ... lowres.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:34 pm

From the Plug-In America Nov 11 Newsletter:
I especially enjoyed getting to meet new friends in the EV movement, as well as seeing many of our longtime supporters. The award for best effort driving electric to the party has to go to Stephen Johnsen who drove his Chevy S10 pickup all the way from Seattle pulling a homebuilt range-extending trailer filled with Lithium batteries.
From the S-10EV list:
Hi fellow S-10E owners, I've been sort of quiet on the list lately busy with many things. One of them relates to the S-10E though and I figured you all would like to hear about the epic journey my two friends and I are making right now from Seattle to Southern California and back with my S-10E and without using a drop of gasoline!

Last Thursday my friends Ron and Chad and I hooked what we call the Range Trailer up to a 1997 GM S-10E. The Range Trailer is a mobile power source containing approximately 70 kWh of lithium iron phosphate batteries. We designed the trailer to be light and efficient and built it from the ground up using aerospace construction materials such as aluminum and composite honeycomb board. It is intended that any electric vehicle with a tow hitch and our appropriate interface controls can make use of the Range Trailer. The trailer's battery pack spends most of its time between 350 and 400 volts DC. This power is then regulated using a specially modified battery charger from Manzanita Micro and we have controls in the cab. The trailer is able to provide about 30 kW of power to our S-10E towing vehicle which is enough to keep the towing vehicle's own battery pack full under nearly all driving circumstances. This means that unless your destination is at the top of a very extreme mountain pass or the trailer's battery is depleted, you will arrive at your destination with a full charge in the tow vehicle so you can then leave the trailer charging while you go and drive around town.

Using the Range Trailer has been an exhilarating and exciting experience with little challenges such as overcoming the S-10E's “Unintended Charging Without Paddle Connected” DTC! :-)

Anyway, last Thursday we left Seattle at 4:00pm and arrived in Yreka, California on Friday evening. We stopped a few times to charge at over
70 amps from public Tesla Charging stations using an adapter that I made. One of the highlights of the trip was getting into Woodland California and pulling up to a charging area at a shopping mall where we used every electron we could get. Knowing that there was a Small Paddle Inductive charger at the location, we had purposely turned off the assistance from the trailer to deplete the S-10's own on-board pack so then we placed the truck on the SPI when we arrived. We then used my Tesla adapter to charge the Range Trailer from the 70A Tesla station and we used my J1772 adapter and extra Manzanita Micro PFC-40 charger run through a home-made isolation box cooled by a spare Comair Rotron “Tarzan” 240Volt fans from an old Gen 1 Magnecharge unit. With this we were able to pull 42A from the J1772 Clipper Creek CS40 going into the PFC-40 which then had it's DC output paralleled with the Range Trailer's 80A on-board charger. Adding all the chargers up allowed us to charge at the public level 2 stations in record time while pulling around 30,000 watts of power! Many thanks to Tom Dowling for all his work on these Woodland stations and others throughout California.

You can follow our journey by finding us on Facebook (search for The Range Trailer), on Twitter (search for @RangeTrailer) or any of you can see a live GPS update from my friend Chad's I-phone app which plots our location every 10 minutes. For that simply go to:
http://www.followmee.com

Then, the login is: roadtrip
The password is: roadtrip1234

Once you are in, go to the “Map” screen and then click on “Chademo Ipad” and you should be taken to a google map view of our current location. There is also a “last 24 hours” option so that you can see the path that we've been on.

We left Salinas, California early in the morning on Tuesday November 15, headed North back to Washington State. We went through San Francisco and stopped again in Woodland and then made just one more stop at an RV park in Redding, CA where the friendly lady at the front desk let us pull from 3 RV stalls (with 50A outlets) and wouldn't even accept payment for the electricity. From Redding, we made the most grueling single leg of the trip up I-5 around Mt. Shasta then over the Siskiyous and up and down over the many passes around Grants Pass in Oregon. We battled rain and slick roads where we saw a full size Ford pickup completely slide across the road in front of us and into the median. The trusty S-10E and Range Trailer with its trailer brakes stayed firmly planted and after a brutal 209 miles without a charge we pulled into Canyonville, Oregon to grab some dinner and watts.

You can check out the Range Trailer facebook page for more photos of it. Oh, and the truck has been performing absolutely wonderfully except that we lost the PSCM on the way down so steering is a pain at lower speeds.

Best Regards,

Stephen Johnsen
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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:36 pm

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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:15 pm

Here is a picture of Stephen's Range trailer:

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I was able to hook him up with 50 amps of charging at the Plug in America gala. Pretty cool!

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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:53 pm

Ingineer wrote:Here is a picture of Stephen's Range trailer:

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I was able to hook him up with 50 amps of charging at the Plug in America gala. Pretty cool!

-Phil
Was wondering how large their trailer is. Thanks for the picture.
I would hope they have some kind of low jack or other security measures as well as insurance on the replacement cost.
This is some 70 kWH of serious energy on wheels about 3 times that of a Leafs.

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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:23 pm

N952JL wrote:
I love the BEV, but the leaf needs to have 4x the range at the same price to become main stream.
Nah, double the range at $10K lower price would do it in my opinion, especially as fuel prices rise and people care more about getting to and from work and the store than the rarely taken road trip.

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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:10 pm

TomT wrote:Here is the one Phil is talking about I believe. About 250 pounds with the inverter... And they are right down the street from me.

http://www.microturbine.com/_docs/CAP11 ... der_LR.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mitch672 wrote:Here is the PDF for that Capstone C30, 400-480VAC output, looks pretty big.
30" x 60" x 70", #891 (ouch)
http://www.microturbine.com/_docs/datas ... lowres.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ok, thats a lot smaller and lighter... thankfully. yes, 200 + 50 (inverter) pounds is not too bad, add in a #100 propane tank, and I think you have something there.

So, Phil, is the plan to run that at 480V, 3 phase, and connect it to the new low cost Nissan chademo charger, essentialy? or one designed by you perhaps...
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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:00 pm

Ingineer wrote:Here is a picture of Stephen's Range trailer:
Thanks for this! Is it full of Thundersky/Winston/CALB/HiPower cells?
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Re: The “range–extended” EV considered

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:09 pm

AndyH wrote:Thanks for this! Is it full of Thundersky/Winston/CALB/HiPower cells?
He told me Thundersky, 200ah IIRC.

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