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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:43 pm

Well... that was depressing. Nothing like getting bad news via a charming cartoon.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:52 pm

Like it or not, most likely quite accurate, I suspect.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:33 pm

Sorry gents. And I unwound from the fetal position and crawled out from under my desk to post that, too. ;)

The good news is that the video was posted on the Australian Permaculture site - and the permaculture (and transition movement) folks (I think) have many of the answers we'll need. And there are no doomers in the bunch!

http://permaculture.org.au/
http://www.transitionnetwork.org/

On another bright side, me thinks, is a reminder from the folks that have been crunching the bible code for a number of years. Many of the items found during the number crunching also contain this bit of text:

Will You Change This?

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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:17 pm

This is very well done.

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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:16 am

The fact that YouTube comments are disabled always raises an eyebrow for me. Granted, the comments section of YouTube videos is often a cesspit of idiocy, but preemptively disabling them sends a message that the author is not willing to entertain any discussion. :|

They are, of course, exactly right about the problem of economic and population growth. These will require political solutions - in other words, we're screwed here.

BUT! The whole last third or so of the video has a strong sense of "There's no perfect solution, let's not bother trying." They say solar won't work, geothermal won't work, hydro won't work, nuclear won't work, biofuels won't work, wind won't work, conservation won't work... and they put all these things in comparison to our total needs (eg you'd need 140,000 square miles of solar panels to meet world demand) but never actually account for the combined effect of all these partial solutions. This, despite opening that segment with asking if a"patchwork" of alternatives could solve the problem.

Continued growth is impossible, but I don't think freezing the world more or less as it is (w.r.t population/economy) is impossible, nor do I think continued technological progress is impossible - all we have to do is not let the lack of a perfect solution paralyze us into inaction.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:44 am

Its the same message as "Collapse", where all of the problems are spelled out in detail, but no good solutions are offered, it's all doom and gloom.

There are some energy solutions in the works, but you don't hear much about them, H3 for example, most countries have plans to "mine the moon" for H3, and finally get fusion reactors working, don't know if its going to happen, or happen in time, but it may be a partial solution to the energy needs of the world.

population control, by natural or man made solutions/disasters will ultimatley be the solution. Not everyone is going to make it, it's just not possible...
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:35 am

The great equalizer will be cost. Slowly the economics will decide the solutions.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:46 am

Smidge204 wrote:all we have to do is not let the lack of a perfect solution paralyze us into inaction.
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Re: World Energy Use - There's No Tomorrow

Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:46 am

I disagree with the assessment on rare-earths. While it is true the China is the only current producer, there are large deposits all over the planet that are currently untapped. While they are still a finite resource, it isn't as bad off already as they make it sound.

But overall, the message is correct. That message being that our continued growth is unsustainable. SOmething has to give eventually.
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