LTLFTcomposite
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evnow said:
Nissan's time to market advantage is looking impressive with over 27k Leafs delivered to date, and others fumbling around for another year or two at best.
Official Ford C-MAX Energi PHEV thread
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Nissan's time to market advantage is looking impressive with over 27k Leafs delivered to date, and others fumbling around for another year or two at best.
cdub said:
I wondered about this as well. I see from some reports that the C-Max hybrid "blends" power from the ICE and electric motor. I take this to mean that a parallel arrangement like the Prius will be uses, and like the Prius plug-in, they simply add a larger battery to make the Energi a plug-in. If this is correct, I see no reason to switch from the tried and true Prius HSD.
scottf200
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LKK said:
http://www.ford.com/cars/cmax/2013/features/#page=Feature8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.c-maxenergi.com/2012/01/ford-expands-plug-in-line-with-fusion.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think it goes out of EV under hard acceleration like the PiP as well. (Recall Volt will go 100 MPH on all battery regardless of acceleration).
evnow
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LKK said:
Like PIP, Energi uses PowerSplit. See details in my C-Max Energi blog.
scottf200
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Here is the google search for his blog/site:evnow said:
site:www.c-maxenergi.com (powersplit OR power-split)
https://www.google.com/search?&q=site%3Awww.c-maxenergi.com+(powersplit+OR+power-split" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
I read that they are taking orders for the Hybrid now, $25,999, proudly proclaiming $500 less than the Prius V. Press releases are saying the hybrid MPG beats the Prius V, but don't have exact figures yet, as I guess they are still waiting on the EPA offical test. I am anixious to see the pricing on the energi.
Price, gas MPG, electric battery size, on the energi are all figures I am interested in knowing. Plus, I wonder about width of the back seat. I might need to do a rear facing car seat and two boosters at the same time in the future.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-orders-for-c-max-hybrid-its-prius-v-rival-/1
Price, gas MPG, electric battery size, on the energi are all figures I am interested in knowing. Plus, I wonder about width of the back seat. I might need to do a rear facing car seat and two boosters at the same time in the future.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-orders-for-c-max-hybrid-its-prius-v-rival-/1
Herm
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C-MAX says 55" shoulder width in the rear seat, probably for two passengers.
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_CMAX_Specs.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Think of the Energi as a PIP, but with a larger battery, probably around 5kWh usable.. hopefully with a better price than the ripoff PIP. More passenger space but less cargo space than a PIP, almost 4000lbs heavy!
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_CMAX_Specs.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Think of the Energi as a PIP, but with a larger battery, probably around 5kWh usable.. hopefully with a better price than the ripoff PIP. More passenger space but less cargo space than a PIP, almost 4000lbs heavy!
DaveinOlyWA
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Any info on EV range for the energi??
evnow
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21 miles.DaveinOlyWA said:
BTW, Ford has priced C-Max Hybrid at $500 less than Prius v. My hope is that Energi will be $500 less than PIP or about $30k after tax credits.
DaveinOlyWA
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21 moles is where the PiP should have been. This should pit it at a perfect price point
mitch672
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Let's hope Ford can provide some real competition to Toyota, if it can get them to lower the price or provide additional range, that's great. So far no one has provided any real competition (the Volt is a 4 seat compact, Prius is a 5 seat midsize, not the same class), I think it would give them a wake up call.. With the Dollar/Yen current valuation, Ford should have a pricing advantage over Toyota, if the components are all U.S. sourced, and not imported. I say the more choices, the better.
DaveinOlyWA
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20 EV range is going to be more competition on the Volt but it all really comes down to price. Put it at the mid 30s before incentives and we will have an interesting battle on
Herm
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DaveinOlyWA said:
My bet it comes in $2k below the Volt, but you never know, Ford likes to price high and then offer incentives. Note that it wont get a full $7500 tax credit.
TomT
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I had hoped for something more like the Volt range. Only 20 miles (and it may actually be less on the EPA cycle) will likely take it out of contention for us... That's only marginally better than the PiP...
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DaveinOlyWA
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70 Kw motor, 21 EV miles looks good. if you look at it and the 2013 Escape, its easy to see why they did away with the hybrid. just too similar
I highly suspect that they are quoting EPA range - otherwise they wouldn't be able to say "Nearly Double Electric-Only Range of Prius". I'd bet that it comes in at 21 miles EPA EV range.TomT said:
Hmm, though the "Electric-Only" range of the Prius is technically only 6 miles before the gas engine has to kick in once (11 miles before engine fully comes on). I wonder if that means that on the EPA test the Energi will get something like 10 miles before the engine has to kick in to support the load? Doesn't really make sense, though... Going to have to wait for the EPA sticker.
The Fusion Energi is supposed to be more efficient than the C-MAX - that will be interesting, too, but a bit longer of a car than I hoped. Could be a toss-up between the 2 cars?
DaveinOlyWA
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drees said:
same 70 Kw motor so if more efficient i would guess that its because of weight, aero, etc. no real info on size of the C-max. obviously bigger than a Focus and smaller than an Escape, but how much smaller? its beginning to look like its not much smaller.
also the C Max hybrid touts regenerative braking that is 90% efficient. wondering if that applies to all 2013 Ford hybrid/electrics?
evnow
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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/24/ford-c-max-energi-plug-in-hybrid-priced-at-33-745-or-29-995-a/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
DaveinOlyWA
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if i had to guess, i would say that the C-Max Energi will go for $43,000. iow, MORE than a Volt
the Transit Connect EV is $62,000 and yes its loaded with factory incentives but not to the public...
the $7500 fed tax rebate would be on top of this although dont know details of whether a business would qualify but they generally qualify for a lot more than we do
**edit** u can now price a one at Ford.com i priced one out at $36,000 nicely equiped. base is $32,950. this is a much better price than i expected BUT its only a 7.5 KW battery pack
the Transit Connect EV is $62,000 and yes its loaded with factory incentives but not to the public...
the $7500 fed tax rebate would be on top of this although dont know details of whether a business would qualify but they generally qualify for a lot more than we do
**edit** u can now price a one at Ford.com i priced one out at $36,000 nicely equiped. base is $32,950. this is a much better price than i expected BUT its only a 7.5 KW battery pack