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With SolarCity, just send me an email and I'll reply back. My email address is in my profile.

Base rate for the LCS 25 installed is 1750 and it includes the upgraded wiring for later when you want to go bigger. If you get Solar at the same time its 1500.

Base rate for the CS 40 installed is 3000. If you get Solar at the same time its 2750.

Take care,

-Kevin
 
gregersonke said:
With SolarCity, just send me an email and I'll reply back. My email address is in my profile.

Base rate for the LCS 25 installed is 1750 and it includes the upgraded wiring for later when you want to go bigger. If you get Solar at the same time its 1500.

Base rate for the CS 40 installed is 3000. If you get Solar at the same time its 2750.

Take care,

-Kevin
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SolarCity refuses to do business in Virginia; however they do have wonderful deals and financing in Maryland and D.C.
 
TimeHorse said:
gregersonke said:
With SolarCity, just send me an email and I'll reply back. My email address is in my profile.

Base rate for the LCS 25 installed is 1750 and it includes the upgraded wiring for later when you want to go bigger. If you get Solar at the same time its 1500.

Base rate for the CS 40 installed is 3000. If you get Solar at the same time its 2750.

Take care,

-Kevin
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SolarCity refuses to do business in Virginia; however they do have wonderful deals and financing in Maryland and D.C.
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Kind of hard to do Solar competitively, when the power company provides no rebates for solar and the power rates are 6-9 cents a watt.
 
gregersonke said:
TimeHorse said:
gregersonke said:
With SolarCity, just send me an email and I'll reply back. My email address is in my profile.

Base rate for the LCS 25 installed is 1750 and it includes the upgraded wiring for later when you want to go bigger. If you get Solar at the same time its 1500.

Base rate for the CS 40 installed is 3000. If you get Solar at the same time its 2750.

Take care,

-Kevin
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SolarCity refuses to do business in Virginia; however they do have wonderful deals and financing in Maryland and D.C.
Click to expand...

Kind of hard to do Solar competitively, when the power company provides no rebates for solar and the power rates are 6-9 cents a watt.
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Rates in Virginia are about $0.11 per kWh when you take all taxes, fuel and transportation costs into account. The Fuel went up this year about a cent so electricity isn't getting any cheaper. But the big problem in VA is the ARRA funds ran out and the waiting list for the up to $20,000 solar rebate is probably a mile long with no sign of the fund ever being replenished.

SolarCity has a clever business plan which takes all the rebates and credits for itself, as well as a large capital loss deduction to make them a provider while you pay them a fixed rate based on estimated solar output. So basically you can finance it and own it, get all the credits for yourself and not much capital loss or you can lease it with them making money from you in the short term but your likely success in the long term. It's a rather nice plan; too bad Virginia isn't proactive with solar.
 
So I am looking to get a second EVSE for my work location. I found this thread and expected to find a chart showing all the EVSE's available, their prices, and where to get them - all listed on the first post. Am I in the right thread?

If not, could you point me to one? If one doen't exist, I'll create a new thread and update it as I research my own purchase.
 
FairwoodRed said:
So I am looking to get a second EVSE for my work location. I found this thread and expected to find a chart showing all the EVSE's available, their prices, and where to get them - all listed on the first post. Am I in the right thread?

If not, could you point me to one? If one doen't exist, I'll create a new thread and update it as I research my own purchase.
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There really isn't one. You can generally find one thread for each major supplier that has good info, but no one-stop-shop for comparison. It would be helpful as we've had a number of newbies ask much the same question.
 
FairwoodRed said:
So I am looking to get a second EVSE for my work location. I found this thread and expected to find a chart showing all the EVSE's available, their prices, and where to get them - all listed on the first post. Am I in the right thread?

If not, could you point me to one? If one doen't exist, I'll create a new thread and update it as I research my own purchase.
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A few listed here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5842
 
Look what I found in the Summary of EVSE options thread. This is exaxtly what I was looking for.

Could a moderator paste this into the first post of this thread?

smkettner said:
Upgrade the OEM unit for about $332.

Good: low price, portable, easy to make adapters to fit different plugs, only requires 20 amp circuit(full 16a charging). Level 1, 240v upgrade only needs 15a circuit(12a charging). Truly universal charging that works on both 120v and 240v.
Bad: Must sent it in so no charging a couple days(mine took 8), could be an issue at end of lease but I think they will exchange for an original at no cost. Does not lend itself that good for permanent mount although some do and are happy.
http://evseupgrade.com/?2

AV
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=614
Full service and warranty with installation services. Very reliable. Has holster.
Somewhat expensive especially the install. Available on ebay for self install or your own electrician.
Seems bulky and protrudes a bit more than needed from the wall.
Requires 40 amp circuit. Rated for outdoor use.
Standard is 18' cord but 25' cord seems to be available on request.
Look for this one on ebay for about $625

SPX $950 + shipping
https://www.homecharging.spx.com/Volt/Display.aspx?id=25&menu=13
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1442
Portable and does have a mounting system but no cord hook. Adjustable to be usable on 15, 20, 30 & 40 amp circuits. Pigtail can be swapped to match the outlet you have. Adapters can be made for adapting to different plugs on the road.
Some report issues with not charging when Leaf timer is used. Rated for outdoor use.

Leviton 160
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=34834&minisite=10091
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=822
Available at Home Depot for $999. Don't forget the mounting kit.
Only requires 20 amp circuit. Limited to 16 amp to vehicle which will charge current leaf at full speed. Future Leaf or other cars may accept more power in the future. It will still charge all just fine just at the 16 amp rate.
Semi portable with plug in pigtail. Wall plate mount would allow easy removal to a different location. Rated for outdoor use.
Seems a bit of an industrial look with the blue metal box. But fairly compact and low profile. Mounting plate has cord hook but no holster.

Schneider $799 shipped from Home Depot. Ordered mine today (9/23) HD says back ordered but they are now allowing the purchase.
http://products.schneider-electric....ons/indoor-electric-vehicle-charging-station/
http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...NT_ID&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&langId=-1
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2630
Designed for hardwire only. Although it would seem you could put a cord on it.
Indoor use only. Although there is an outdoor unit available for more money as part of the commercial applications.
Requires 40 amp circuit. 18' cord. Best looking, low profile. Cord hook looks cheep and no holster.
Has delay timer and length of charging indicator.

GE Wattstation
http://www.geindustrial.com/cwc/Dis...pnlid=8&famid=9404&catid=6061&id=WS-WallMount
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=770
Should be available soon at Lowes.com. Rumor is a couple stores have a few on display. Price $1,000 when found in store.
Available in different colors. Seems bulky large and more profile at 6" deep. Very nice looking if you have the wall space.
Requires 40 amp circuit, has a nice holster. Outdoor rated. Cord is just 16'
Has an OFF mode to draw zero power when not in use

Legrand/Pass and Seymour
http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
http://www.legrand.us/passandseymour/ev-chargers.aspx
Good price at $750. Nice coiled cord if that works for you. Have not seen this cord except on Voltec that is not available for Leaf owners.
Nice holster. This could give Schneider some competition. Cord listed at 24' is longest available.
This one is just 16 amps similar to Leviton 160. Great alternative if limited main power is available.

Clippercreek
http://www.clippercreek.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85&Itemid=212
Looks portable but instructions indicate permanent mount. Different models for 15amp, 20amp & 25 amp circuits.
$995 on the website, outdoor rated. Cord length not specified.


EV ChargeAmerica
http://www.ev-chargeamerica.com/products_ev2104.html
I have only read problems with delivery(not) and non functioning product.
I recommend staying away from this one.

Probably some others

I own none of these BTW. There are individual threads on each.
(I now have the Schneider)
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A friend of mine sent me the following email from Florida Power & Light to his neighbor about a program to install free charging stations. If they are only sending these out to people who already bought their Leaf, how many will actually still need the station?

Subject: FPL: Get a Free Level 2 Charger for your LEAF - Enroll Today

Congratulations on considering the purchase of a Nissan LEAF™. Going electric is a smart move – for your wallet and the environment. And there’s even more good news:

You may be eligible for the Florida Power & Light (FPL) EV-Charging and Reliability Pilot Program, which provides qualified EV buyers with a free level-2, 240-volt charging station (including a standard installation), valued up to $3,000, in exchange for valuable information that will help us keep electric service reliability high. Based on your Nissan LEAF user preferences, we are contacting you for potential participation in this service-reliability study.

If you participate in the pilot program for a 12-month period and agree to provide the feedback required by FPL, the 240-volt charger will be yours to keep – with no further obligations.

Participation in this pilot program is limited to a set number of qualifying FPL customers and will be granted in Miami-Dade or Broward counties on a first-come, first-serve basis. To qualify, you must:
• order your vehicle (for purchase or at least a two-year lease) within 7 days of contacting us to enroll in the pilot;
• own a single-family, detached home that is not for sale or subject to foreclosure;
• maintain a working home wireless Internet connection;
• have a dedicated, off-street parking space;
• be the primary FPL account holder at your residence, with an account in good standing;
• be a full-time resident of the property
• have an installed and activated smart meter at your residence; and
• agree to the program’s terms, which include use of your smart meter and charge-station data, as well as participating in FPL research.
If you meet these qualifications and would like to participate, please call SPX – our authorized EV charging equipment installer. SPX will be handling our enrollment, installation and ongoing customer support and can be reached at: 1-877-805-3873.

Call today – space is limited.

Thanks for your interest.

Sincerely,
FPL’s Electric Vehicles Team
 
Interesting, but too late for me. I even asked them a few months ago whether they were going to be doing anything for electric car charging, and they said no. :(
But, I think I might fail their requirements on 2 counts:
1) I don't think my wireless will reach out to my detached garage, and
2) I have solar, so I don't have the smart meter, but I have the bidirectional meter.
I'm very glad to see this though. Free charger is good. I'll have to add it to my Leaf Q&A sheet.
 
Seems like there must be a new wave of EVSEs right around the corner.

The Rav4-EV charges at 40A, and the 2013 Leaf will charge at 32A? (6.6kW), the Ford Focus charges at 32A? (6.6kW) ... aside from the Leviton already announced, is there any info on the next wave EVSEs?

Price/availability of the Leviton 40A EVSE ($1590 and up, for Rav4EV customers - including installation http://toyota.leviton.com/faqs-rav4ev-customers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), 30A is a bit cheaper ($1499 and up, includes installation).

Maybe there's a "blow out" coming for the lower amperage EVSEs?

Can we exclude discussion of those vendors whose EVSEs "go to 11" (SPX), in their spec's but not in the real world.
 
srl99 said:
Seems like there must be a new wave of EVSEs right around the corner.

The Rav4-EV charges at 40A, and the 2013 Leaf will charge at 32A? (6.6kW), the Ford Focus charges at 32A? (6.6kW) ... aside from the Leviton already announced, is there any info on the next wave EVSEs?

Price/availability of the Leviton 40A EVSE ($1590 and up, for Rav4EV customers - including installation http://toyota.leviton.com/faqs-rav4ev-customers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), 30A is a bit cheaper ($1499 and up, includes installation).

Maybe there's a "blow out" coming for the lower amperage EVSEs?

Can we exclude discussion of those vendors whose EVSEs "go to 11" (SPX), in their spec's but not in the real world.
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In my months of researching EVSEs I've only seen one stalwart constant and that's ClipperCreek. That's what the Mini-E used, that's what the Tesla Roadster used, that's what I used. There's a 32A or so version that should support most of the current crop and the CS-100 which I have that is very underutilized on a 2012 Nissan LEAF but could push a 2-Charger Tesla Model S (19kW) to its max running the highest J1772 current allowed, 80A.

Now, most public EVSEs, like the Aeronviron, Coulomb, Blink are as far as I can tell running at about 30A with 24A their actual high. That comes out to 5.76kW which is what we observed when my friend charged his Tesla Roadster at a local Coulomb. So the nirvana of every EVSE supporting 6.7kW or essentially 28A on a 40A circuit (30A couldn't safely run 28A sustained) isn't quite there but for the 2013 LEAF and other 6.7kW chargers that's what you need. For the record, the LEAF's "3.3kW" charger actually accepts a 16A circuit, not a 12A like the Volt though it's charger is rather inefficient so ends up charging the battery closer to 3.3kW not the 3.7kW you read on your EVSE (as told to me by an engineer working on modding the LEAF to support inductive charging).

The point is expect most chargers to be somewhere between 5.76kW and maybe as much as 7.68kW (32A or maybe 36A/8.64kW if the wire gauge is sufficient; that's getting near the limit for sustained current at 40A max) but don't expect everyone to do 6.67kW, alas the future.
 

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