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rickbecker
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:36 am

smkettner wrote:There are a few of us that lost a bar after the 1yr test. The test at the two year mark will be an eye opener.
I have not called for a case # because I am not certain my situation is unreasonable or completely unexpected.
I did not ask to be on the wiki or make any stong complaints. Just expressed some dissapointment.
Certainly there are far worse cases than mine that do need to be looked into.
IMHO, EVERYONE who loses a capacity bar this soon should report it and get a case number. I look at being listed on the wiki as providing data, NOT complaining. I agree that there are more severe cases, but the EV community will benefit if Nissan knows about all problems.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:38 am

surfingslovak wrote:
azdre wrote:Quote from the article: " average Phoenix customer mileage of 7,500 miles per year." Maybe it's yet another completely false report?
Anyone know why Phoenix Leafs would see less than national average annual vehicle miles? Are they perhaps counting rentals, fleet vehicles or Leafs on dealer lots in this statistic?
Phoenix is a HUGE winter home location for retirees from both northern USA and Canada. For the entire summer, those retirees aren't even there to drive. And, because they are retired, they aren't driving much when they do return to Phoenix in the winter.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:10 am

rickbecker wrote:IMHO, EVERYONE who loses a capacity bar this soon should report it and get a case number. I look at being listed on the wiki as providing data, NOT complaining. I agree that there are more severe cases, but the EV community will benefit if Nissan knows about all problems.
+ 1. If nothing else, it gives Nissan statistical information that may be useful.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:34 am

Self reporting is not a great way to collect statistics. Two year battery checks will be starting in a few months and Nissan knows that is more reliable data for general analysis.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:45 am

smkettner wrote:Self reporting is not a great way to collect statistics. Two year battery checks will be starting in a few months and Nissan knows that is more reliable data for general analysis.
Agreed. Unfortunately, it seems Nissan is misrepresenting the data that they are collecting. We should continue to collect our own data even in this new period of glasnost.
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10K mi. on 041413; 20K mi. (55.7Ah) on 080714; 30K mi. (52.0Ah) on 123015; 40K mi. (49.8Ah) on 020817; 50K mi. (47.2Ah) on 120717; 60K mi. (43.66Ah) on 091918.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:03 am

TickTock,

It was good meeting you on Sunday on Plug in Day...Do you have any information on the Meeting you had with Nissan Today...can you update us on how they were able to 'Fully Satisfy you'? New 2013 Battery, New 2013 LEAF?

Thanks


dsh wrote:TickTock,

After your appointment with Nissan to go over the results from Casa Grande, will you please let us know how Nissan attempted to "satisfy" you? I would like to know will they offer you a 2013 battery pack, buy back the car...offer a new LEAF, etc. as Mark Perry did stress that Nissan wanted to satisfy each owner individually..."The company's goal, is to discuss how to satisfy those owners. We want to make sure they're satisfied with their vehicles."
TickTock wrote:I was called yesterday to set up an appointment to go over what they found during the investigation at Casa Grande. Said they would have some "technical people" there should I have any questions. I would be very surprised if I get to talk to actual engineers (in fact, the probability of that is vanishingly small), but any information is welcome at this point.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:26 pm

Let's not put too much pressure on the Phoenix folks who are meeting with Nissan. They're in a tough spot. Before Nissan discusses any kind of financial settlement, they'll probably want a non-disclosure agreement.

Ask yourself... if you had the choice of being 'made whole' by Nissan and keeping quiet, or revealing all to your friends on MNL and being stuck with a $30,000 car that no longer has much value, which would you choose?

How many folks can afford to ignore that kind of persuasion?

Understand that this is purely speculation on my part; maybe Nissan will reveal a plan that will help out all the affected LEAF owners. I sincerely hope so!

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:34 pm

kolmstead wrote:Let's not put too much pressure on the Phoenix folks who are meeting with Nissan. They're in a tough spot. Before Nissan discusses any kind of financial settlement, they'll probably want a non-disclosure agreement.

Ask yourself... if you had the choice of being 'made whole' by Nissan and keeping quiet, or revealing all to your friends on MNL and being stuck with a $30,000 car that no longer has much value, which would you choose?

How many folks can afford to ignore that kind of persuasion?

Understand that this is purely speculation on my part; maybe Nissan will reveal a plan that will help out all the affected LEAF owners. I sincerely hope so!
Good point but, Tick Tock can just tell us if he is satisfied or not after talking with Nissan without giving any info.

Just my two cents,

Ian B

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:17 pm

MrIanB wrote:
kolmstead wrote:Let's not put too much pressure on the Phoenix folks who are meeting with Nissan. They're in a tough spot. Before Nissan discusses any kind of financial settlement, they'll probably want a non-disclosure agreement.

Ask yourself... if you had the choice of being 'made whole' by Nissan and keeping quiet, or revealing all to your friends on MNL and being stuck with a $30,000 car that no longer has much value, which would you choose?

How many folks can afford to ignore that kind of persuasion?

Understand that this is purely speculation on my part; maybe Nissan will reveal a plan that will help out all the affected LEAF owners. I sincerely hope so!
Good point but, Tick Tock can just tell us if he is satisfied or not after talking with Nissan without giving any info.

Just my two cents,

Ian B
+1 But if they do give something at least we would finally have an idea that there is a battery problem.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:25 pm

I dont understand this. WHY NDA, If they did nothing wrong , they should stand proud and tall. We stand behind our products. Great PR. Yes If they said , the cars are self destructing and if you dont tell any one we will give you your money back. I would say Keep your money , I will head to the nearest News Station and announce the disaster. I will be made right by a court of Law or Nissan they can chose how. We are not talking about a 75 cent can of coke here that is flat. This is a 38,000 dollar car, with Billions of dollars of tax payers money. Who is going to stand for Justice. Everyone should have the same fair offer.
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* 2011 SL
3 bar loss 23,000 mi
in less than 2 yrs
4/14 now 4 bar loss 32,000 just over 2 years

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