RegGuheert wrote:As you can see, DavinOlyWA, darelldd and me are here along with evchels. Also here are Kataphn, Don, and sullyfahs. There are also a few guys from Europe, but some do not have aliases here and I do not know the others' aliases. (I am also not sure if Don and sullyfahs are aliases for the right people. I will correct that if I got them wrong.
O.K. Don was the wrong alias. It should be DEFrancis2. One of the guys from Europe is electronit, one is not on this forum and the third would like to remain anonymous (I think!). He can post here if he wants. Again, I think it's a great group of people.
We had another incredible day. Yesterday morning we met with quite a few members of the ZeroEmission team at Nissan and had a very detailed and frank discussion about LEAF marketing including many, many issues.
I took a couple of pretty decent photos of that session, but I must apologize because it seems I have an SD card problem and I do not have any pictures from this trip.
Did I mention I am the world's worst photographer? I submit this as evidence...
RegGuheert wrote:We may hear more in today's meetings, but, as Dave said, we likely cannot say anything about some of what we will see/hear today.
As mentioned, we cannot talk about much of what we saw yesterday. Please do not PM us asking for us to reveal these things, as we are honor-bound to keep them secret. I will only say the following things, the first being under approval and the second is my opinion:
- Andy Palmer reiterated what he said in Phoenix about Nissan not wanting to use liquid to cool the batteries. They simply do not think that is a solution which suits their design objectives. (FWIW, I agree with him on this, as I have stated here many times.)
- Everyone working on the LEAF within Nissan ALWAYS quotes LA4 cycle results when they discuss vehicle range. It is not just marketing and sales doing this, but everyone. Their entire culture seems to be built around this concept that the LA4 range of the vehicles is THE range of the vehicles. Most (all?) of the members of the advisory board found this somewhat disturbing. My personal feeling is that it does not bode well for us to get any changes in how they communicate the capabilities of the car outside of Nissan, but we'll see. I think this needs to be a point for further discussion with them going forward. Would anyone else like to propose a different range for them to use in discussions? Perhaps the EPA five-cycle range test result?
TEG wrote:For the 2013, I wonder if it is possible to get the black cloth seats in with the "all options" SL package?
From the looks of things they want you to have leather if you get the top of the line audio system and 17" wheels. Maybe this is a USA only marketing thing that Nissan Japan HQ doesn't follow closely, but I do represent a small contingent that don't like being forced in to leather seating to get other options.
Like you, I also prefer cloth to leather, but I think all of that is set in stone for 2013.
While I did not ask this direct question, it was pretty much confirmed that things are set in stone for 2013.
RegGuheert wrote: TEG wrote:
I hope Nissan continues to work on R&D for charge station finding built into the car. Someday it would be great if the Nav could show you which nearby charging stations were _available_, in other words it would be updated to mark which stations were already being used by someone else at the time. Also, it would be great if they had better pictures / directions to the charging stations. They could look at sites like http://www.plugshare.com/
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We may meet people in this area today. We will give them your feedback.
We gave this feedback to the person in Nissan who is responsible for this issue and it was recorded, so your input was definitely heard.
TEG wrote:Also, you folks might want to inquire about high speed charging interoperability with other systems.
Will a LEAF ever charge at a Tesla Supercharger or SAE Combo-plug station? I don't know if Nissan has even considered making adapters for these. I am guessing not, but it seems worth asking just in case.
We discussed this some on Tuesday night and Nissan is clearly frustrated by the whole SAE combo plug issue. In any case I can ask if they plan to offer any interoperability options in the future.
I did bring this up. Nissan's view is that they need to do whatever is necessary to enable growth in the EV movement in general, not just for their own products. They see these various charger options as a barrier to adoption and they are trying to figure out the best way forward, but there seem to be no simple answers here. They did not rule out making adapters available to LEAF owners.