EdmondLeaf
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Same here so one stick for all is not so good. 100 miles is not reasonable and people complaining. EPA minus reasonable reserve.RegGuheert said:
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DaveinOlyWA
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Right and regional differences and the needs for public charging were also one of the topics that will be tackled with this group as well.
Reg is in an area where 40 miles from his home is halfway to nowhere so quick charging is not gonna do anything for him but i am in the puget sound regiofn where most of my destnatins can be just over 50 miles making a fast charge critical
Reg is in an area where 40 miles from his home is halfway to nowhere so quick charging is not gonna do anything for him but i am in the puget sound regiofn where most of my destnatins can be just over 50 miles making a fast charge critical
RegGuheert
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:lol:DaveinOlyWA said:
Well, that all depends on which DIRECTION I drive! In one particular direction, I can drive the LEAF directly into Washington, DC. It's getting home that would make quick charging interesting!
davewill
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I find myself wanting to contact the FTC to request they require carmakers ONLY advertise the EPA number as is done for gas mileage. Cherry picking the number they want is crazy.RegGuheert said:
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+1davewill said:
I think that's likely the only sensible way to approach this, and it would help change the entrenched range "culture" at Nissan and elsewhere in a jiffy. Thank you for the detailed trip and meeting reports. Great and much appreciated read.
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OrientExpress said:
I took this pic of the two QCs. Let's see if I can post them here.
Edit: Sorry, I don't know what I am doing so will send the pic to OrientExpress by email.
cwerdna
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Not to go too OT...
It should be illegal to cherry pick and advertise only the highest mpg #. If they're going to state only 1, then it should be combined. Otherwise, state all 3 (city/highway/combined) in equal prominence.
While you're at it, maybe you should suggest they outlaw my pet peeve of being able to cherry pick the highest # out of city/highway and combined EPA numbers for ICEVs. As I've posted here and elsewhere:davewill said:
It should be illegal to cherry pick and advertise only the highest mpg #. If they're going to state only 1, then it should be combined. Otherwise, state all 3 (city/highway/combined) in equal prominence.
Stoaty
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+2surfingslovak said:
It should be illegal to advertise anything else, and the combined number should be the one advertised for ICE.
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surfingslovak said:
+++++++One Million
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TonyWilliams said:
Heck I raise you 16 Trillion pluses. If its good enough for Obama it's good enough for me.
Seriously tho, I agree that they should stick to the EPA number. In years gone by the EPA number was optimistic as well, but the recent tests they do are pretty good IMHO.
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cwerdna said:
I've come to expect manufacturers to pad the specs as far as they can legally. The thing that puzzles me is the 7 hour charge time. That's worst case, why not say 2 hours for most commutes?
Nubo
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Did everyone move to a new thread? Nothing new to say about the trip?
EdmondLeaf
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Summary, more pictures?Nubo said:
My educated guess is that everybody is still trying to wake up and catch up with their lives. I personally finally arrived home at midnight last night, and have been plowing through a ton of backed-up tasks ever since. I am willing to take a moment to at least throw you a generalized "bone" to get things rolling.
Starting a new thread is probably prudent, too. Good idea. Far too much confusion at the beginning of this one, I'm afraid. It would seem that there are still folks who think we were meeting with Nissan to "solve" the AZ battery issue, or to ask for more LEAF features, or.... whatever.
In a nutshell, it was a fantastic experience by all accounts. There was a tremendous amount of give and take on both sides. Our goal was to represent the EV market from as many different backgrounds and angles as we could. I am convinced that the individuals in our group learned as much from each other as the Nissan representatives learned from our group. Each one of us comes to EVs from a different set of circumstances and experiences. And we all have different wants and needs. We also all participate in different EV owner groups regularly. Amazing to me is how cohesive our message was in general, while having distinct differences in the details. And it was our cohesive message that really struck a chord with Nissan (so we were told more than once). We had unprecedented access to everything "Nissan" - and I think (and certainly hope!) that it was well worth the time, expense, effort and risk that Nissan put into our visit. Trust me when I say that there is not one "yes man" (or woman!) in our group. None of us was chosen for our ability to roll over and play dead. Everybody contributed, criticized, and even praised when appropriate. And everybody - on both sides - learned a great deal.
I come away from this experience with a tremendous respect for how committed Nissan is to their EV program. Of course I also came home with a healthy respect for the number of EV learning experiences that can be stuffed into a single day!
Let me see if this works for pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fk9hikj87rn6y9r/Y_kcpwfN1k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Starting a new thread is probably prudent, too. Good idea. Far too much confusion at the beginning of this one, I'm afraid. It would seem that there are still folks who think we were meeting with Nissan to "solve" the AZ battery issue, or to ask for more LEAF features, or.... whatever.
In a nutshell, it was a fantastic experience by all accounts. There was a tremendous amount of give and take on both sides. Our goal was to represent the EV market from as many different backgrounds and angles as we could. I am convinced that the individuals in our group learned as much from each other as the Nissan representatives learned from our group. Each one of us comes to EVs from a different set of circumstances and experiences. And we all have different wants and needs. We also all participate in different EV owner groups regularly. Amazing to me is how cohesive our message was in general, while having distinct differences in the details. And it was our cohesive message that really struck a chord with Nissan (so we were told more than once). We had unprecedented access to everything "Nissan" - and I think (and certainly hope!) that it was well worth the time, expense, effort and risk that Nissan put into our visit. Trust me when I say that there is not one "yes man" (or woman!) in our group. None of us was chosen for our ability to roll over and play dead. Everybody contributed, criticized, and even praised when appropriate. And everybody - on both sides - learned a great deal.
I come away from this experience with a tremendous respect for how committed Nissan is to their EV program. Of course I also came home with a healthy respect for the number of EV learning experiences that can be stuffed into a single day!
Let me see if this works for pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fk9hikj87rn6y9r/Y_kcpwfN1k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nubo
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darelldd said:
Thanks. Didn't mean to sound entitled. There just seemed to have been a steady number of tidbits and then nothing. Wasn't aware of the departure schedule. Regards.
Nubo said:
No worries. Most folks probably got home before I did (I couldn't come straight home from the airport) - but everybody is busy, certainly. My big worry is hearing too MUCH from this group... not to little.
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Why? Given the past history, there could not be enough communication.darelldd said:My big worry is hearing too MUCH from this group... not to little.
surfingslovak said:Why? Given the past history, there could not be enough communication.darelldd said:My big worry is hearing too MUCH from this group... not to little.
Correct me if I'm wrong... the lack of communication was between Nissan and the owners. There has never been a lack of communication among the EV enthusiasts, certainly!
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Yes, that's correct. Jeff's presence here on MNL has helped greatly, IMHO anyway. Regarding owner-to-owner communication: there were certainly others with access to privileged information. Unfortunately, their interactions on this board have been, for the lack of a more polite term, underwhelming.darelldd said:
surfingslovak said:
Ah. Well, I can't speak for others. But this group seems to be plenty vociferous (at least in person! Current posting rate not withstanding). Anything in particular that you'd like to know about this initial visit? You'll of course understand that there are some things that we cannot discuss publicly, unfortunately.
Ah... and Jeff. How great is Jeff? Trust me when I say that he's even more fun in person.
I just about have a handle on the jet-lag now. But I still need to get to bed!
