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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:15 am

The i3 will launch first in Germany this November. The lower-than-expected price means that demand in BMW’ home market could be significantly higher than first anticipated. This, in turn, could be why the US launch of the BMW is was delayed by a few months.
Title: BMW-i3 Priced Well Below Expectations in Germany; Sales Volume Predicted to be High
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:22 am

evnow wrote:So, it will be a year before we can get i3.

Leaf SV+packages : $2k down + $125 a month
Base i3 : $2k down + $400 a month (?)
i3 REx : $2k down + $500 a month (?)

So, 3 or 4 times the price of my current Leaf. No CHAdeMO. Hard to justify.

Where did you get a LEAF for $125/month???
36 month lease, $2000 down, not including state incentives?
Did it come with quick charge, did you already list details? If so, please link me to them.

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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:31 am

Some of the Puget Sound area dealerships have been offering $99/month Leaf leases for at least a year. This is how we got ours.

Not sure about anywhere else.

Anyway, clearly Leaf is still cheaper, but right now I will welcome every "competition" especially when a high-end brand joins in with a relatively affordable model. We're still in the situation when a rising EV tide lifts all boats.

I especially like the introduction of range-extender as accessory. It should greatly help the mainstreaming of EVs.

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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:52 am

TonyWilliams wrote:Who wants to put bets on 65mph freeway (all my usual caveats) range?

Above or below LEAF?

Lower weight won't help it much. Smaller battery won't help at all.

I say 78 miles. Can't wait to test one July 2014.
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I just noticed that the NEDC range in Comfort mode is quoted at 190 km. The 2013 LEAF has achieved 200 km on the same cycle. According to the information released last week, ECO PRO and ECO PRO+ mode will add about 12% of range each. I doubt however that the EPA is going to consider those driving modes. No information has been released on 80% and 100% charging. Looking at the aero wheels and the ultra-low resistance tires seen on the prototypes, I would expect to see about 5% lower freeway range at steady 65 mph. Perhaps 79 or 80 miles? That said, considering the results on the NEDC cycle, one has to wonder if a 90+ EPA rating is possible with the i3. I'm also wondering if BMW will lead with a REx trim in the US market.

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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:58 am

ELROY wrote:Where did you get a LEAF for $125/month???
36 month lease, $2000 down, not including state incentives?
Did it come with quick charge, did you already list details? If so, please link me to them.
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:49 am

surfingslovak wrote:I just noticed that the NEDC range in Comfort mode is quoted at 190 km.
I am curious where you found the source for this info. I can't seem to find it. Thanks!
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:28 pm

Spies wrote:
surfingslovak wrote:I just noticed that the NEDC range in Comfort mode is quoted at 190 km.
I am curious where you found the source for this info. I can't seem to find it. Thanks!
Steve, it's buried in the technical spec document, which released last week.

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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:57 pm

surfingslovak wrote:Steve, it's buried in the technical spec document, which released last week.
Nice, thanks!
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:45 pm

evnow wrote:So, 3 or 4 times the price of my current Leaf. No CHAdeMO. Hard to justify.
Three or four is probably exaggerated. Double is more like it. Doesn't affect your conclusion. The i3 is a premium vehicle that neither looks nor, if you believe this review, acts the part. http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/alter ... rst_drive/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is one not very flattering review.

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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:57 pm

scottf200 wrote:The i3 will launch first in Germany this November. The lower-than-expected price means that demand in BMW’ home market could be significantly higher than first anticipated. This, in turn, could be why the US launch of the BMW is was delayed by a few months.
Did "they" expect this to be a $60,000 car? With a range extender and a few basic options it looks like it will be $50,000 or more. Given that we're talking about an EV with a range of maybe 90 miles and a crippled generator mode, that pricing is above not below my expectations.
scottf200 wrote:Insideevs.com - Seems like $31,350 in CA will be a pretty good deal.
This was more in line with what I was expecting (plus tax credit of course).

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