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Re: Nissan e-NV200 Concept

Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:07 pm

My optimistic guess is that they are not yet rolling this out in the US because they are preparing the longer range battery. A 60-70 mile EPA range rated delivery van would likely go way less under load and while speeding from point to point like Fed Ex does for example.

I hope you are right that they are moving forward! with a good surprise!!

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drees wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:the only time "LEAF" is mentioned is because its using a drivetrain based on the LEAF. iow; its electric. how anyone could get more out of that is beyond me.
Do you have some information that the general public is not privvy to, Dave? ;)
nope... as member of "LAB" (L is LEAF) the NV 200 got an occasional mention but that was about all. our purpose is more towards marketing than any kind of technical side so specs are for the most part out of the discussion.

but this illustrates the problems of the media. the article states to expect "100 miles" now is this from Nissan or is it simply lazy journalism that googled "LEAF range" and came up with a link to advertising from 2010?

I suspect the latter.

otherwise; we all need to take a reality pill. it would be hard for me to imagine a vehicle expected to be released in the US in 2015/16 would have the same specs as a 2011 LEAF when even the 2013's are being widely reported to have incremental range boosts.

now is this range boost simply a new round of starry eyed owners? yes, in some cases but now we are getting 2nd time LEAFers reporting the same thing. Could be SW tricks that enhances range for certain types of driving like when urban driving is mixed in since Tony's tests pretty states a straight freeway drive appears to have had no improvement.

But either way; I think it would be a mistake to take the tact that Nissan is not constantly moving forward
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:40 am

With years of global "press ok to accept" data, I hope they can find a way forward.

But if they're almost ready to roll out a 150 mile LEAF, surely they'd apply that to any other EV.
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:15 am

Price of the ICEV NV200 announced.

It will be interesting to see the premium Nissan decides to charge for its first ICE conversion BEV.

If Nissan prices the S version (assuming there is one) at ~$30k, then it could be less expensive than the ICE variants in higher-incentive states such as Georgia, Colorado, California, etc.
...Nissan announced pricing for its NV200 van...on Friday. The Ford Transit Connect-fighting NV will start at $21,100...include(ing) destination fees.

The NV200 offers 122.7 cubic feet of cargo space along with a 53-inch height. Split rear doors allow for easy loading, as does its low floor height of only 19.2 inches. Payload is rated at 1,500 pounds. A 131-hp four with a CVT is the only powertrain option, returning 24 mpg combined...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014022 ... /140229797" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:37 pm

edatoakrun wrote:It will be interesting to see the premium Nissan decides to charge for its first ICE conversion BEV.
Technically, the NV200 is build on the same platform as the LEAF, the Nissan B platform. I presume that Nissan designed the NV200 from the start to accommodate both EV and ICE drivetrains.

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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:37 am

drees wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:It will be interesting to see the premium Nissan decides to charge for its first ICE conversion BEV.
Technically, the NV200 is build on the same platform as the LEAF, the Nissan B platform. I presume that Nissan designed the NV200 from the start to accommodate both EV and ICE drivetrains.
Well, "technically", the NV200 is a BO platform vehicle (stretched B), and the LEAF is not a B at all, at least according to Nissan:
...A Dedicated EV Platform, Innovative Battery Design
The front-wheel drive Nissan LEAF utilizes an all-new dedicated EV platform with batteries housed in the floor for optimum vehicle packaging and weight distribution. The highly rigid body design includes a rigid-mounted battery frame, which helps provide greater body rigidity compared to a conventional compact car. LEAF rides on a 106.3-inch wheelbase, with a 175.0-inch overall length, 69.7-inch width and 61.0-inch height...
http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... beed45d79c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is largely a point of semantics, as the LEAF platform is clearly closely related to the B platform, and the van configuration is probably the one where a separate BEV vehicle platform has the fewest benefits, and a conversion from an ICEV the fewest drawbacks, Which is why Nissan did not see the need to design different vans for BEV and ICEV applications.

It looks to me like (we should know in ~ a week) the ENV200 uses a raised (or lowered?) flat-floor for the battery compartment, with only a small reduction in cargo/passenger space, unlike sedan ICEV conversions that suffer both in cargo space and optimum weight distribution from the conversion.

IMO, Nissan made a very wise decision in choosing a drivetrain/battery design that was adaptable to many vehicle types. The simpler thermal management of Nissan BEV battery packs allows pack dimensions to be configured any way the vehicle dictates, not limited by the constraints and costs imposed by ATM, which essentially requires the installation of a refrigerator to enclose the battery cells.

The LEAF battery design should be an advantage in controlling cost, if Nissan ever decides to build (please do) a limited production two or three seat sports BEV, like the Nissan BladeGlider - Performance EV Concept:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14949" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Where the battery pack could readily be configured to optimize space and weight considerations, as well as collision safety.
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:02 pm

Tuesday morning is the announcement for us here in the U.S. . Nissan is unlikely to provide the information we in the U.S. want to know, such as U.S. launch date, specs, and price. Nissan has previously stated initial launch is for Euro and Japan markets, although we can infer good amount of info from that.
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:17 am

March 3, 2014

Nissan e-NV200: the game-changer
Combining the best of Nissan LEAF and NV200 in one package, the all-electric Nissan e-NV200 is a game-changing, practical and sustainable city delivery vehicle
•Zero emissions, best in class refinement and low running costs
•The Nissan e-NV200 combines all-electric, battery-powered drivetrain from Nissan LEAF, and the class-leading cargo volume from NV200...

Highlights include...
•New styling reflects 30 percent new components over existing NV200
•170 km NDEC homologated driving range, 120 km/h maximum speed
•CHAdeMO quick charge capable (0-80% in 30 minutes)
•Access to over 1000 public quick chargers in Europe
•Global production from Barcelona


...The e-NV200's high performance pure electric drivetrain, based on that used in the acclaimed Nissan LEAF, is allied to the class-leading cargo volume of the NV200 to create a practical and versatile vehicle capable of carrying people or goods while producing neither exhaust emissions nor noise pollution.

When sales start in June, e-NV200 will be available as a van or as a five-seat people carrier in Combi or more luxurious Evalia guises. Although mainly targeted at businesses, e-NV200 will also appeal to private users with large families. The e-NV200's homologated NEDC range (170kms) is greater than the average 100km daily driving distance of over half the fleets who utilise this class of van and the payload and cargo area is the same as NV200's.

The battery can be recharged overnight using a domestic 16-amp single-phase 3.3 kW supply which reduces to four hours if a 6.6kW/32-amp supply is used. A dedicated CHAdeMO DC 50 kW quick charger can recharge the battery from 0-80 percent in just 30 minutes or less if the battery is already partially charged. More than 1000 public CHAdeMO quick chargers are now installed across Europe, in addition a number of companies have installed their own dedicated quick charging facilities at their home depots or offices.

"The e-NV200 goes into a totally different market segment to the Nissan LEAF and alongside the world's best selling electric vehicle will help us continue to lead the EV revolution. To do that we haven't simply converted the NV200 to electric, we have thoroughly re-engineered to create a product that isn't just a good electric van, it is a fantastic van by any standards said Guillaume Carter, senior vice president of Sales and Marketing for Nissan Europe.

Director of Electric Vehicle for Nissan Europe, Jean-Pierre Diernaz is excited by what the e-NV200 brings to the range, commenting: "The proven and highly effective electric powertrain driving e-NV200 is ideally suited to the typical stop/start daily routine of a working vehicle. With no exhaust or noise pollution, e-NV200 is environmentally and people friendly, while the lack of fatigue-inducing noise and vibration from the drivetrain coupled with the single-speed transmission will provide genuine benefits to every hard working delivery or taxi driver. Fleet operators, meanwhile, will love the low running costs."

Although based on existing hardware, e-NV200 has undergone a full engineering development programme as if it were new from the ground up. The drivetrain has been re-engineered in a number of significant areas to suit its new role, while changes have been made to the vehicle shell to ensure there has been no compromise to NV200's cargo space.

The LCV version still has a cargo volume of 4.2m3 and can carry two standard Euro pallets, while sliding side doors on both sides and wide opening rear doors ensure that loading and unloading is as easy as possible.

A comprehensive ‘real-world' test programme has been undertaken in Japan and Europe with pre-production models handed over to internationally known companies - including FedEx, Coca-Cola, DHL, IKEA, British Gas, EDF and the Japan Post Office - to operate as part of their everyday fleets. Feedback from drivers and fleet managers has been used to fine tune e-NV200 before series production began at Nissan's major LCV facility in Barcelona, Spain.

"We believe e-NV200 will genuinely change the make-up of light van and taxi fleets as well as changing the environment in the heart of our cities," added Diernaz.

Nissan e-NV200 in detail
Although based on significant elements of two existing vehicles, e-NV200 is a bespoke vehicle with a unique part count of more than 30 percent.

Differences between e-NV200 and NV200 include striking visual changes, a re-engineered chassis, interior revisions, a new battery pack, a higher capacity regenerative braking system and other modifications to ensure e-NV200 is better suited to its likely role as a city-based delivery vehicle for cargo and people.

The result is a near silent and emission-free future-proof electric vehicle that promises genuine advantages for drivers, fleet operators, passengers, pedestrians and city residents alike.

The most obvious visual difference between e-NV200 and its conventionally powered sibling is the adoption of Nissan's EV "face," familiar from Nissan LEAF. The central charging doors and unique blue tinted LED headlights give a modern look and distinct identity from its ICE sibling.

Blue-tinted arrow-like positioning lamps sit within new, crescent-shaped, headlamps that incorporate a distinctive ice blue light colour. LED bulbs are used in the rear lights of all versions as well as at the front on passenger models. The "electric" blue theme extends to the e-NV200's badging.

Inside there's a new instrument panel with a digital read out, while the gear selector has a simplified look and feel - shifting like a conventional automatic rather than the computer-style joystick of LEAF - to help drivers regularly moving from internal combustion engined vans into the e-NV200 acclimatise more quickly.

Digital information includes clear and easy-to-assimilate displays for vehicle speed, state of charge and vehicle range while a power meter shows the state of motor output/regeneration. The instrument panel is completed by a multi-function display that provides other time, distance and speed information.

Mechanically, e-NV200 owes much to the Nissan LEAF with independent front suspension by MacPherson strut from the world's best selling EV. LEAF also provides the drivetrain, including its recently introduced second generation 80kW AC synchronous motor, which is now fully integrated with the battery charger and inverter in one compact, self-contained unit.

There are some significant changes, however, for e-NV200. Most notable is the Lithium-ion battery which has been changed to allow it to fit under e-NV200's floor without compromising the cargo area. The new pack, which is built at Nissan's plant in Sunderland, UK, and assembled in Barcelona, has the same number of modules - 48 - as in Leaf and the same 24kWh capacity, but is packaged differently.

The battery module is set low in the vehicle under the load floor and is mounted in a reinforced zone for extra safety protection in the event of an impact. The battery mounting assembly also helps boost the torsional and lateral stiffness of the vehicle by 20 percent and 35 percent respectively over NV200.

With a low centre of gravity, the ride and handling levels of e-NV200 are exceptional, even by the standards set by the NV200 while the instant torque delivery typical of an electric vehicle means the battery-powered version accelerates faster: its 0-100km/h time is quicker than the 1.5 dCi-powered NV200, with final figures confirmed last year.

Another drivetrain change over LEAF determined by e-NV200's likely usage pattern is a new braking system with a higher regenerative capacity. This takes advantage of the vehicle's typical stop/start city driving modes, while Hill Start Assist is fitted as standard, holding the vehicle for two seconds after the footbrake is released...
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/NEWS/20 ... -02-e.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:44 am

Like the LEAF, it'll be cheaper if they can make them here. Maybe they'll wait until they have the bigger pack ready. But if they want to stay in the game in a couple of years, they're going to need a battery giga factory of their own.
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:29 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Like the LEAF, it'll be cheaper if they can make them here. Maybe they'll wait until they have the bigger pack ready. But if they want to stay in the game in a couple of years, they're going to need a battery giga factory of their own.
they already have that right next door in Smyrna. It is no where near capacity but it can put out 200,000 LEAF packs consisting of 192 cells each which is no where near a billion but still a pretty good start
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Re: Official Nissan e-NV200 thread

Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:56 am

200k packs per year? That should do for a start.
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