Networking the free DCQC chargers at Nissan dealers

[beachfitrob]

In Texas, our plans aren't quite as good as CA for Evgo. But they are reasonable.

I have:
Blink ($4.95 IIRC per month, month to month)
Chargepoint ($25 balance put on so the cards were free. Used only once so far for $0. So I still have a $25 balance.)
Evgo ($59.95 yearly, but unlimited L2 and $9.95 per session DC. Used it a few times on DC during the trial month. Have not used since.)
L1 at home
L2 at work for free. Blink.
$6/day at work for paid parking if free is occupied. $0 L2.

[DaveinOlyWA]

checked Oly Nissan yesterday morning and their pricing was $3 minimum or $10 a day!

unreal

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[hill]

We received a notice from Nissan that our first year of free charging may be coming to an end here at the dealer .......snip....

Just to clarify - by "We" - do you mean customers got notice from dealers - that 'free' is going away ... or does "We" mean (some) dealers received notice from corporate Nissan that they will no longer pick up costs. Presuming for the moment corporate has been picking up the bill for dealerships (installs, maintenance, and electricity cost?) - couldn't individual dealerships still choose to eat the cost their self, w/out passing it on to users? I'm all for paying anyway - but I'm just curious.

Afterthought to question(s) above - here's a novel idea .... whadaya think ... kind of a Tesla formula ... sell Leafs for a premium/higher price (too bad that can't also be a bigger battery ) and you get free priority charging (separate Chademo?) ... and the other folks get what ever pay-as-you-go formula that Nissan (corporate or dealers) wants to implement.
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[DaveinOlyWA]

We received a notice from Nissan that our first year of free charging may be coming to an end here at the dealer .......snip....

Just to clarify - by "We" - do you mean customers got notice from dealers - that 'free' is going away ... or does "We" mean (some) dealers received notice from corporate Nissan that they will no longer pick up costs. Presuming for the moment corporate has been picking up the bill for dealerships (installs, maintenance, and electricity cost?) - couldn't individual dealerships still choose to eat the cost their self, w/out passing it on to users? I'm all for paying anyway - but I'm just curious.

Afterthought to question(s) above - here's a novel idea .... whadaya think ... kind of a Tesla formula ... sell Leafs for a premium/higher price (too bad that can't also be a bigger battery ) and you get free priority charging (separate Chademo?) ... and the other folks get what ever pay-as-you-go formula that Nissan (corporate or dealers) wants to implement.
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it was definitely dealer only communication and the free option is still a possibility although not likely. after more than a year of free charging queues, I MUCH rather see a cost associated but NOT a per session fee.

[TomT]

Yep! Unless I can arrive there nearly empty and then top all the way up, it simply is not cost effective... It HAS to be by Kwh!

I MUCH rather see a cost associated but NOT a per session fee.

[dhanson865]

I see several attitudes toward QC pricing

1 Free
2 Priced per kwh
3 Priced per time spent charging
4 Priced to prohibit use or make high profits (penalties for being plugged in after charging, high flat fees, monthly or yearly membership fees, etcetera).

If you want to do free I'm OK with that, if you want to charge a minimal fee I'm OK with that too.

Reasonable fees to me are something like 2x the residential cost per kwh or a flat fee that approximates 1.5x the residential cost per kwh. In my state that is about 10 cents per kwh and so I'd be will to consider paying 20 cents per kwh for L3 charging at a max.

How many kwh am I going to pull from the charger in 25 to 30 minutes if I start from 30% soc and stop at 80% soc? Would that be something like 12 kwh? If so its something like $2 in electricity.

I'm not in favor of a flat fee as I might want to stop for a 10 minute charge if I'm short on range and I'd like to be able to pay half or one quarter of the price if I get half or one quarter of the energy. I don't want to feel like I have to stay for the extra 20 minutes to fill up because I paid a flat fee.

Some argue that free encourages people to stay and charge more than they need, I argue that in addition flat fees have a similar effect.

[vancamp]

I would much rather find a charging station available and unoccupied than sit in a queue for a free charger.

It may seem like the valuable resource that needs charging for is the electricity. However, just as valuable a resource is the parking spot available to the (capital $ + maintenance $) charger.

I think that the cost structure should create an incentive to remain only as long as necessary. In that case, charging by time (using an assumed charging rate per type of charger) seems the most appropriate, with perhaps a 1-2$ minimum. Even a rate as high as $10/hr for DCQC prorated with a $2 minimum, would accommodate 12 minute sessions, with $5 for 30 mins. I make that to be less than 1/2 the cost of the equivalent gas car mileage. I don't expect public infrastructure to compete with home charging rates... I'd much rather it be available and reliable.

[DaveEV]

In that case, charging by time (using an assumed charging rate per type of charger) seems the most appropriate, with perhaps a 1-2$ minimum. Even a rate as high as $10/hr for DCQC prorated with a $2 minimum, would accommodate 12 minute sessions, with $5 for 30 mins. I make that to be less than 1/2 the cost of the equivalent gas car mileage. I don't expect public infrastructure to compete with home charging rates... I'd much rather it be available and reliable.

Hey now - stop making sense!

[DaveinOlyWA]

Yep! Unless I can arrive there nearly empty and then top all the way up, it simply is not cost effective... It HAS to be by Kwh!

I MUCH rather see a cost associated but NOT a per session fee.

i prefer charge by time since that is the whole point of fast charging, right? time is the critical factor here and have been stuck behind someone staring at the chademo screen thinking they just have to have 2 more percent to make it where they are going. when that 2 percent is the difference between 90 and 92%, we are talking a less then effective use of MY time.

[DaveinOlyWA]

In that case, charging by time (using an assumed charging rate per type of charger) seems the most appropriate, with perhaps a 1-2$ minimum. Even a rate as high as $10/hr for DCQC prorated with a $2 minimum, would accommodate 12 minute sessions, with $5 for 30 mins. I make that to be less than 1/2 the cost of the equivalent gas car mileage. I don't expect public infrastructure to compete with home charging rates... I'd much rather it be available and reliable.

Hey now - stop making sense!

ya, common sense does not work well here. I suggested we double the hourly rate to change from AV's $7.50 per session fee to $15.00 an hour in one minute increments. that did not work... they said the SW did not allow them to bill by time... an explanation I find a bit hard to swallow and the "difficulties" of a solution even tougher to swallow