GRA said:
Worst condition would be zero - since you can always find such conditions. But let us not pretend these are frequent scenarios for majority of consumers.GRA said:
dm33 said:
24 kwh battery gives us 84 EPA miles. So, 48 kWh should give close to double that range - may be a few miles less because of added weight i.e. 160 miles.Nubo said:
evnow said:
Lots and lots of people will want off lease Leafs. People said the same thing about the Prius when it first came out also. Don't forget that virtually all of the off lease Leafs will still be under the battery warranty.GRA said:
But the context is what some Nissan manager apparently said. He should be talking from EPA range perspective.Nubo said:
Hardly the same situations - The Prius retains its original performance, the same as any other ICE at the end of the lease, and the LEAF's is reduced from what, when new, was already viewed as inadequate by the majority of consumers.jelloslug said:
If so, that's a big improvement in general knowledge from a couple of years ago and a major difference from 2011 or 2012, when anyone who pointed out that winter conditions and battery degradation needed to be taken into account when considering if a BEV was suitable, was almost certain to be accused by fanboys of being anti-EV or a troll. I guess enough owners have gotten past the honeymoon stage and have experienced the real limitations that less than ideal conditions impose, so that they can look at their cars more objectively.evnow said:
What would be the right price for you, considering that you'll be able to get a brand new 2014 62 mile EPA iMiEV for $15.5k after the fed subsidy, and only $13k in California? At what price do you think it's worth Nissan's time to try and sell these cars, plus assume the continuing liability?pkulak said:
Frequent enough for anyone who lives in New England, around the Great Lakes, in the plains or the Rockies, and as has been apparent this past winter, could occur even in areas that would normally never experience such temps. And then there's continuing degradation due to heat in much of the country, so unless Nissan plans to ship all the off-lease cars to the PNW and areas with similar climates, I see a miniscule market for what is already a tiny niche vehicle. Then there's the whole problem of BEVs being seen as 'throw-away' vehicles, which is hardly the attitude we should be aiming for.evnow said:
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GRA said:
Uh huh, and the question is will Nissan replace all the batteries under warranty with new ones or used ones? How much will this cost them, and is it worth it, to them or (if swapping in a used battery) the owners?jelloslug said:
Okay, that's you, and your specific circumstantces. Now, if you were in Georgia, where instead of $2,500 from the state you got $5,000, so that the iMiEV now costs just $10.5k, would that change your mind? How about in Colorado ($6k? from the state)? And how many other people will see it the same way you do? After all, lack of range is the single most important issue that people have with BEVs.pkulak said:
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pkulak said: