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AlanC

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In researching the LEAF, I've found something that kind of bothered me. There are barely any ads for the LEAF. It seems obvious this would affect sales numbers. As well as the LEAF has been doing amongst EV cars, it's still a tiny fraction of total car sales.

The lack of national ads is one thing (in Canada I haven't seen any), but even on the local, back-of-newspapers level, Nissan dealerships list all their cars EXCEPT the LEAF.

In talking to a few salespeople, they are very unenthusiastic about selling the car, and I've found most aren't very knowledgeable, even though they have to go through a LEAF training course to be able to sell them. One of them told me they don't make much money on them, so it's less of an incentive to spend time trying to sell them. Shouldn't this be a concern for Nissan as a company?

Has anyone experienced similar lack of enthusiasm/help at Dealerships?

I can only speak about a few here in Vancouver, BC.
 
AlanC said:
In researching the LEAF, I've found something that kind of bothered me. There are barely any ads for the LEAF. It seems obvious this would affect sales numbers. As well as the LEAF has been doing amongst EV cars, it's still a tiny fraction of total car sales.
Most every thing you said has been discussed here before. As for the slow sales, I'm not sure that is a problem anymore. From what I understand they are actually having trouble keeping up production to match demand. So they probably don't see any need to spend more advertising money.
 
adric22 said:
AlanC said:
In researching the LEAF, I've found something that kind of bothered me. There are barely any ads for the LEAF. It seems obvious this would affect sales numbers. As well as the LEAF has been doing amongst EV cars, it's still a tiny fraction of total car sales.
Most every thing you said has been discussed here before. As for the slow sales, I'm not sure that is a problem anymore. From what I understand they are actually having trouble keeping up production to match demand. So they probably don't see any need to spend more advertising money.

I definitely see ads for the Nissan Rogue all the time, and I believe that's one of their top sellers. In the States, you guys have a federal and often a state incentive for EVs. In Canada, there's only 2 provinces that have a similar rebate/incentive, so it's possible nationally they don't get the bang for the buck. However, it's disappointing on the local level that it's not really pushed. Again, this could be a uniquely Canadian thing. We're supposed to be a GREEN country, damn it!
 
AlanC said:
I definitely see ads for the Nissan Rogue all the time, and I believe that's one of their top sellers. In the States, you guys have a federal and often a state incentive for EVs. In Canada, there's only 2 provinces that have a similar rebate/incentive, so it's possible nationally they don't get the bang for the buck. However, it's disappointing on the local level that it's not really pushed. Again, this could be a uniquely Canadian thing. We're supposed to be a GREEN country, damn it!

And you got so much water power you even call your electricity, "hydro". You should be up to your keisters in LEAFs. :mrgreen:
 
Nubo said:
And you got so much water power you even call your electricity, "hydro". You should be up to your keisters in LEAFs. :mrgreen:


You'd think! Vancouver actually has an action plan of being the "Greenest City in the World" by 2020. They've made strides with incentives for city facilities (recreation centres, libraries, public parks) and new building developments to add L2 EV charging stations. There's well over 100 stations (barely used) in the central part of Vancouver already, so hopefully it's a case of "If we build it, they will come" and buy more EVs!
 
Have the BC Ferries added chargers to any of the ships yet? Seems an ideal place to catch a few miles of charging while crossing the straits.
 
the dealership i had leased mine from (401 Dixie) can;t keep them in stock. Not all dealership locations carry them and those who don't i found did not want to refer me to who had one ( Brampton dealerships that is). the sales person i dealt with at 410 dixie was actually very knowledgeable and thorough, when i picked up my leaf 2 days ago they also had 2-3 other 2015's going out the door that same day. It took me 1 week on rush to get mine so seems to be selling yet I agree it could be promoted more.
 
Pretty poor EV sales in UK, and I've barely seen any adverts for any.

Saw a few for the BMW i8 at launch - and they sold out!

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV had a TV advert every day on several channels for a few weeks. They're selling like hot cakes.

Never seen an advert for Renault ZE yet. Sales are abysmal. Fluence has already been dropped.

.. I think there is a message/trend there. Makes you wonder if these companies really want to sell EVs at all.
 
Donald -- that's very odd to hear because a lot of the Nissan LEAF news I read about comes from the UK, especially since there's a Leaf factory right there! Perhaps with the population they take sales for granted? I also see a push to get EVs into India and China, so perhaps Canada (with a population smaller than California) just doesn't have the numbers to warrant a big effort. Again, that shouldn't excuse the individual dealerships from advertising.

Re BC Ferries: I called them and they said there are some sailings that have "commercial outlets" for trucks, but not consumer vehicle EV stations specifically. I don't know if they mean a 240V plug, but I wouldn't count on it. I believe if you're lucky enough to park close to where a 120V outlet is, you're probably allowed to plug in, barring someone yanking or stealing your EVSE. They did ask if I wanted to formally request that feature as they do take public requests and suggestions into consideration all the time, so I did. Hopefully more people ask that same question.

On a practical level, there are a good number of EV charge stations on Vancouver Island within about 2km from the terminals, so that could be a great destination for EV travellers!
 
with 1000 Nissan LEAFs sold in 4 years in Canada, and they lost a tonne of money in 2012 when they brought in 600 LEAFs and sold only 200 of them, then had to deeply discount them to try to get rid of them, there is no way Nissan Canada could afford to do a strong marketing campaign. I have seen the odd commercial on places like the weather channel. Im sure they are still licking their wounds from 2012.

Their marketing budget is so small that it wouldn't even cover the cost of 1 FTE to work on it. The dealers get money from Nissan Canada for advertising the vehicles, but again, there is no money for the LEAF so why should the dealer spend their money trying to educate the population.

This is where it is up to us EVangelists to help. Support your local Electric vehicle association, get out and educate the population about the electric alternatives.

if Nissan Canada could sell more than 200 LEAFs a year, I'm sure we would start to see some marketing money available and we would see advertising for the LEAF.
 
Big ad in two of the biggest french newspapers in Quebec:

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http://www.aveq.ca/actualiteacutes/une-pub-nissan-leaf-dans-les-quotidiens-la-presse-et-le-soleil-daujourdhui-obtenez-un-rabais-additionnel-a-lachatlocation-en-devenant-membre-aveq" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Here in Michigan, outside of the Internet, I've only heard one EV advertisement on the radio (BMW i3) and one printed PHEV advertisement (Chevy Volt). That's it. These aren't items they can sell to the masses, so targeting advertisements at random people doesn't work.
 
Maybe not immediately, but they have to be seen to be ubiquitous, else they will never gain a level of awareness 'in the masses'. Persistent and long-term campaigns are required for big changes to people's thinking.
 
This is definitely the time to kick some advertising into high gear. My 12-week experience with a Leaf S and the most recent non-rant posts indicate that the Leaf is mostly out of woods in quality, battery capacity, and overall performance. I would have purchased a Leaf last Fall, but this site scared me off. When our PT ("Pitifully Terrible) Cruiser told me to try again, I noticed better stories here on MNL, particularly if I avoided posts older than about three months.

However, if I were to rank the most important factor that won us over, it was our Bill Robertson Nissan salesman, Jeff Jackson. Jeff is one of those "knowledgeable" guys many of you wish you had known. In all fairness, Jeff has a good local market. Lots of techies at local DOE contractors, particularly Pacific Northwest National Laboratory.

Nissan also needs to advertise this car for what it can do best: make those short errand trips that are the worst use of an ICE car.
 
Big problem in Canada is no federal incentives. Are there any incentives in BC at all ?

Just see the difference in Leaf sales in Seattle & Vacouver,BC - no real difference in climate, costlier gas in BC - yet a single dealer in Seattle area outsells all of Canada.
 
There was a BC incentive program that ran for a few years, but the money ran out just in March this year (a month before I started looking)! Only Ontario and Quebec have their programs still in place.

However, don't get too mad at the gov't... in Vancouver alone, there's almost 100 charge stations due to building regulations and green initiatives. "If you build it, they will come..."

So, since there are still great incentives south of the border, I found two local used car dealerships/brokers that are seeing a big demand (so they say) for Leafs imported from all over the States. If Nissan dealerships were smart, they'd be transferring them from US Nissan dealerships and selling them at a big price reduction, rather than just moping around the new Leafs that barely get looked at.
 
AlanC said:
In talking to a few salespeople, they are very unenthusiastic about selling the car, and I've found most aren't very knowledgeable, even though they have to go through a LEAF training course to be able to sell them. One of them told me they don't make much money on them, so it's less of an incentive to spend time trying to sell them.

Here in Toronto, I was unable to find a Leaf dealer who was interested enough to return a phone call, let alone discount the outrageous difference between the Canadian cost and the US cost of the Leaf.

I bought a 2014 Smart Electric Drive for $19K all-in (Ontario has $8500 rebate, and Smart deducted $4000 off the MSRP which by the way is almost identical to the US MSRP).

Until more manufacturers match the US pricing for electric cars here in Canada, it's going to be slow going.

Oh, and everyone who gets a ride in my Smart is blown away and begins asking about what other electric cars are available. It will take time.

My neighbour has a Leaf, so there are two electric cars, and two houses with solar panels on my street, which is altogether too uncommon unfortunately.
 
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