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DanCar said:
AndyH said:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18HxXve3CM[/youtube]
Perhaps we should all help with the poo poo namis(1:40). lol Thanks for posting that video.
Glad you enjoyed the video.

Do you see the complex web of functions and the way the system is balanced?
 
Radionuclides in the Arctic Seas from the Former Soviet Union: Potential Health and Ecological Risks; US DOE, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, November 1, 1997, UCRL-CR-136696
http://dec.alaska.gov/air/am/rad/radstudies.htm

http://dec.alaska.gov/air/am/rad/doc/RN4.pdf

It's not like we don't already know about food webs or the way that substances bioaccumulate...

http://enenews.com/releasing-fukush...ncentrated-thousands-of-times-throughout-food

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1470160X14000831
http://enenews.com/fukushima-radiat...mediate-worrisome-consequences-marine-wildlif
...these depletions most likely result from radiation exposure due to the Fukushima nuclear accident, implying that the risk of radionuclide contamination is considerably elevated for Streaked Shearwaters on MKR, where more than 60% of the world’s population breeds. While additional negative impacts are expected due to delayed effects of radionuclide transport via biomagnification in the food chain, this study highlights the potential immediate and worrisome consequences of the Fukushima nuclear accident for marine wildlife.

Even though we have very inexpensive ways to bioremediate the soil and the water in storage, it's easier to dump some in the Pacific and build waste dumps for the area's soils. Wouldn't be good to grow rice in soil contaminated with plutonium, anyway...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/japan-fukushima-plutonium-traces-soil
http://www.straight.com/news/680196...-exposes-enormity-and-hopelessness-clean-task
LAST WEEK’S ABJECT apology by Japanese environment minister Nobuteru Ishihara to Fukushima Prefecture officials underscores how serious the problem of contaminated-soil storage has become in that country....

In December 2013, Tokyo announced that it would spend almost $1 billion to store 132,738 tonnes of radioactive soil already removed from near the crippled power plant. No towns came forward to offer to sell the approximately three to five square kilometres of land estimated to be needed to build the supposedly “interim” facility to house the waste, currently stored temporarily in different locations around Japan.

(That plan covers less than 150,000 tons of soil. Greenpeace International has claimed that as of February 2013, more than four million tons of radioactive waste had been produced.)
 
AndyH said:
Do you see the complex web of functions and the way the system is balanced?
Not sure what balance you are referring too. There is the important of whales pointed out, but only states how more is better. I do find it interesting that if poop is that much value to the plankton then there is plenty of that to go around.
 
DanCar said:
AndyH said:
Do you see the complex web of functions and the way the system is balanced?
Not sure what balance you are referring too.
This is the problem, Dan. The video describes a complex web of balanced interactions that is highly resilient but under extreme stress.

Why is it so easy for us to miss the balancing acts while we giggle about poop?
 
AndyH said:
DanCar said:
Not sure what balance you are referring too.
This is the problem, Dan. The video describes a complex web of balanced interactions that is highly resilient but under extreme stress.

Why is it so easy for us to miss the balancing acts while we giggle about poop?
Why do you not answer the question about balancing? And the poop comment is real. There is plenty to go around, so if it is helpful to the plankton we should be spreading it around.
 
DanCar said:
AndyH said:
DanCar said:
Not sure what balance you are referring too.
This is the problem, Dan. The video describes a complex web of balanced interactions that is highly resilient but under extreme stress.

Why is it so easy for us to miss the balancing acts while we giggle about poop?
Why do you not answer the question about balancing? And the poop comment is real. There is plenty to go around, so if it is helpful to the plankton we should be spreading it around.
Dan - the balance - that a complex web exists and how the keystone species in that web is being negatively affected by humans - is a major part of the video!

You keyed on - and continue to key on - whale excrement, while missing the major point.

No - don't ask me to explain it to you, and don't point back at me. Watch the video again, please...and ignore the poop this time.
 
AndyH said:
Dan - the balance - that a complex web exists and how the keystone species in that web is being negatively affected by humans - is a major part of the video!
Sorry, that doesn't meet the definition of balance. A complex web does not mean balance. You seem to think that complexity is a major point. I don't. And I wouldn't call it complex. I would call it unintuitive and or not easily discoverable, but it is relatively simple circle of life. And that simple circle of life might be strengthened by spreading some poop.
 
DanCar said:
AndyH said:
Dan - the balance - that a complex web exists and how the keystone species in that web is being negatively affected by humans - is a major part of the video!
Sorry, that doesn't meet the definition of balance. A complex web does not mean balance. You seem to think that complexity is a major point. I don't. And I wouldn't call it complex. I would call it unintuitive and or not easily discoverable, but it is relatively simple circle of life. And that simple circle of life might be strengthened by spreading some poop.
I didn't say the web was the balance, though, did I?

Here's another one - see if you can identify the web and at least two areas where balance was off (and how it affected the whole) and how the system changed when a critical piece was rebalanced. Good luck.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q[/youtube]
 
DanCar said:
Thanks! :) now I understand why we are putting back the wolves.
These videos are very well done - I'm glad it was useful.

The whales are the ocean's wolves, Dan - they're a keystone species for the ocean.

We're already over fishing the oceans, destroying the sea floor habitats with drag nets, and creating dead zones with fertilizer run-off and oil spills. Then there's plastic, industrial chemicals, and other run-off from the land. Add in global warming and ocean acidification. Then there's radioactive waste, reactors, and old weapons dumped into the oceans. I'm not at all saying that the chemical run-off and continual releases of radioactive wastes from Japan are going to lead to Godzilla-sized plankton or the death of every human under age 7. But these are additional stressors in an already degraded system. I don't know where the tipping point might be placed - no idea. But I expect that there is at least one, and I think it's pretty clear that if the oceans die we go along for the ride. And that's not a very fun thought at all.
 
AndyH said:
The whales are the ocean's wolves, Dan - they're a keystone species for the ocean. We're already over fishing the oceans, destroying the sea floor habitats with drag nets, and creating dead zones with fertilizer run-off and oil spills.
Yep, it would be good if we did something about that.
... and I think it's pretty clear that if the oceans die we go along for the ride. And that's not a very fun thought at all.
I'm not that pessimistic, but just the thought of heavily stressing the system, rather than helping, is enough to get me going. I suspect most people would rather us be in harmony with nature rather than trying to kill it.
 
Fukushima - Four Years Later


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma_yGj1jvVE[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqV9Fd5LTLM[/youtube]
 
The gift that keeps on giving...

http://rt.com/news/253897-chernobyl-fires-rage-ukraine/
Forest fires heading for Chernobyl nuclear plant – Ukraine Interior Ministry
...
However, in comments to Russia’s Moscow Speaks radio, a representative of Greenpeace Russia said that the situation is much worse: “A very large, catastrophic forest fire is taking place in a 30-km zone around the Chernobyl power plant. We estimate the real area of the fire to be 10,000 hectares; this is based on satellite images. This hasn't been officially acknowledged yet.”

The potential danger in this fire comes from the radioactive contaminants the burning plants have absorbed, ecologist Christopher Busby told RT. “Some of the materials that were contaminating that area would ahve been incorporated into the woods. In other words, they land on the ground in 1986 and they get absorbed into the trees and all the biosphere. And when it burns, they just become re-suspended. It's like Chernobyl all over again. All of that material that fell on the ground will now be burned up into the air and will become available for people to breathe." Christopher Busby is the scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risks.

Ecologist Dmitry Shevchenko from the Environmental Watch on North Caucasus says it is difficult to predict where exactly the contaminants will go: “We don't have a real-time monitoring system for the Chernobyl area. We can hypothesize whether the radionuclides will go here or there, but there is no-one who can reliably predict the situation."

Climate change, things that break, no monitoring - what could possibly go wrong?
 
Thanks to a post from someone else on TiVocommunity.
-- begin quote --
NOVA on PBS this week is "Nuclear Meltdown Disaster." The description is:

"The minute-by-minute story of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, which resulted from the earthquake and tsunami, and its aftermath."

I've got my recording set.
-- end quote --
I too have my TiVo set to record it.
 
^^^
I finally finished watching the above. Was pretty decent.

I was totally unaware of big problems that also unfolded at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daini_Nuclear_Power_Plant. But, they had some luck and were able to get it under control. Didn't know they had to lay about 5 mile of cable to get some pumps running, to avert disaster.
 
Thanks to a Google search that something else reminded me of, I stumbled across http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/decommision/index-e.html which led to http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/library/archive-e.html?video_uuid=qo0gh0sa&catid=61795, which has an insightful video.
 
I'm not sure if this is posted upthread, and I'm too busy to check (or even watch this PBS special):
U.S. PUBLIC TV PROGRAM "NOVA" PROVIDES IN-DEPTH LOOK AT FUKUSHIMA ACCIDENT

Program provides strong technical details and interviews with TEPCO workers

TOKYO, August 14 - An hour-long TV program aired by U.S. public broadcaster PBS on July 29 provides a detailed exploration of both technical and human factors that led to the emergency response in facing the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami at Fukushima Daiichi and Daini Nuclear Power Stations. Produced for the PBS science series "NOVA," the program is comprised of interviewing TEPCO workers who participated in the efforts to prevent a much more serious accident, including Naohiro Masuda, who was a plant chief of Daini at the time and who now, as TEPCO's Chief Decommissioning Officer, leads Fukushima Daiichi cleanup efforts.

In most regions of the world, the program can be watched on the PBS website;
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/nuclear-disaster.html
 
http://www.japantoday.com/category/...k-underground-ice-wall-around-fukushima-plant
Regulators OK underground ice wall around Fukushima plant
By MARI YAMAGUCHI

NATIONAL MAR. 31, 2016 - 06:50AM JST ( 32 )

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Sigh.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-Tepco-begins-ice-wall-activation-3103164.html

I guess it's good that after more than two years the wall is finally in operation...even though it can't stop the flow of radioactive water into the Pacific. After all, it's only intended to save money since they can't properly process all the water they're already storing on site.

I wonder how the EROEI of nuclear looks when we consider remediation of mining sites and the cost to install and run underground freezers?
 
I'm a bit more than halfway thru this 25 minute video that I recently learned about: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2016/08/fukushima-time-bomb-160824122108827.html (Inside Fukushima's Time Bomb).

It does include a visit to the plant and standing near the reactor buildings.
 
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